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#1    rashore

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Posted 31 May 2014 - 08:30 PM



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The news: Fifty-three scientists have written to the UN's World Health Organization Director General Margaret Chan cautioning her not to classify e-cigarettes as tobacco products, which would then lead to stricter regulatory controls on the nascent industry.
The scientists say that e-cigarettes are "part of the solution" to worldwide tobacco addiction.
"These products could be among the most significant health innovations of the 21st century — perhaps saving hundreds of millions of lives. The urge to control and suppress them as tobacco products should be resisted," they said.

http://www.policymic...campaign=social

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Posted 31 May 2014 - 08:36 PM

At 1st I thought the tobacco companies would not like this, but then it seems they will:

Tobacco manufacturers are moving into the manufacture and sale of electronic cigarettes,

http://www.drugfree....rette-business/

Edited by freetoroam, 31 May 2014 - 08:40 PM.

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Posted 31 May 2014 - 08:50 PM

The reason tobacco products are regulated is because of their nicotine content - and e-cigarettes are usually smoked with a fluid solution containing nicotine. They are not designed to reduce the psychological dependency of smokers (like patches or gum are), nor are they designed to reduce the physical dependency on nicotine.

While they are not 'tobacco products', they should be regulated as tobacco cigarettes are regulated.

The only non-regulated e-cigarettes should be those which are used to smoke solutions not containing nicotine, and to ensure the regulation of the nicotine-containing solution can be enforced, separate non-compatible/non-convertible models should be developed for nicotine and non-nicotine use.

Edited by Leonardo, 31 May 2014 - 08:51 PM.

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Posted 31 May 2014 - 09:10 PM

What is a bit confusing is this:

Leaked documents demonstrate that the WHO views electronic cigarettes as a "threat" to global health and desires to classify them as regular tobacco products under the Framework Convention on Tobacco Control (FCTC); 178 countries are party to the agreement, and regulation could threaten some of the $3 billion in worldwide sales posted in 2013. Big Tobacco for once is backing the scientists, insisting the devices allow smokers to have a less-risky alternative. (Major cigarette companies, of course, see e-cigarettes as both a major potential competitor and the future of the industry.)
http://www.policymic...campaign=social

Surely the WHO would have had top scientists doing the test for them, to be able to come out with this.
Also about the (Major cigarette companies, of course, see e-cigarettes as both a major potential competitor and the future of the industry.)...not quite according to this:
http://www.drugfree....rette-business/

Edited by freetoroam, 31 May 2014 - 09:11 PM.

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Posted 31 May 2014 - 09:42 PM

Are patches/gums regulated ? They contain nicotine surely ?

In terms of the health risk: Nicotine is classed as the addictive component of regular cigarettes, but are they classified as the primary health risk ? I thought that was particulates in the smoke ?

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Posted 31 May 2014 - 10:08 PM

View PostRoofGardener, on 31 May 2014 - 09:42 PM, said:

Are patches/gums regulated ? They contain nicotine surely ?

In terms of the health risk: Nicotine is classed as the addictive component of regular cigarettes, but are they classified as the primary health risk ? I thought that was particulates in the smoke ?

I think you're right about the health risk, but it's the nicotine which gets the smoker physically addicted enough to cause the damage through habitual use.

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Posted 31 May 2014 - 10:39 PM

I have found that switching to an e cigarette has made quiting an actual attainable goal now. It's hard to stop smoking.  Really hard. I have been without a regular cigarette for over 2 months now and have even stepped down the amount of nicotine in the fluid I get. I'll be stepping it down again soon and then, with any luck, get off the nicotine entirely.  I know several people that have successfully quit in such a manner.

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Posted 31 May 2014 - 10:50 PM

Notice they said the manufacture does not have disclose what is in them.  You could be smoking formaldehyde for all you know.

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Posted 01 June 2014 - 12:23 AM

From OP article:

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"hard qualitative analysis showed that political, social and economic factors are now major challenges for" tobacco companies. And while these giants would obviously prefer that people keep buying the 6 trillion traditional cigarettes sold worldwide each year, major tobacco companies like Philip Morris see huge survival and growth opportunities in electronic smoking devices.

Whatever keeps you hooked and spending. E-Cigs.....the new cool!!

                                                                  

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Posted 01 June 2014 - 01:47 AM

This is all being considered because of greed,no other reason.I have many friends who have switched over and some have completely quit because of these devices.1000's of known chemicals cut down to a few,no second hand smoke,no nasty smell,and overall much cheaper.The ones who wont be collecting all that extra tax cash are the only ones who want these  to be put into the same class as cigarettes.

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Posted 01 June 2014 - 01:47 AM

I bought an expensive e-cig when they first came out.. It cost me like around $70 I believe..

It didn't help me do anything, I smoked all of the cartridges that were supposed to last a month in a day and night.. Being an outside smoker, it made it easier to smoke constantly inside.

After the cartridges ran out, I went back to smoking. lol

I plan on quitting, I just doubt anytime soon. Sad.

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Posted 01 June 2014 - 02:10 AM

View PostGreenmansGod, on 31 May 2014 - 10:50 PM, said:

Notice they said the manufacture does not have disclose what is in them.  You could be smoking formaldehyde for all you know.

I was already smoking formaldehyde when I was smoking cigarettes.

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Posted 01 June 2014 - 02:43 AM

View PostImaginarynumber1, on 01 June 2014 - 02:10 AM, said:

I was already smoking formaldehyde when I was smoking cigarettes.

And several 100's of other chemicals,glad these are helping you.Hope ya break the habit,good luck  :tu:

Edited by CrimsonKing, 01 June 2014 - 02:44 AM.

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Posted 01 June 2014 - 04:06 AM

View PostLeonardo, on 31 May 2014 - 08:50 PM, said:

The reason tobacco products are regulated is because of their nicotine content - and e-cigarettes are usually smoked with a fluid solution containing nicotine. They are not designed to reduce the psychological dependency of smokers (like patches or gum are), nor are they designed to reduce the physical dependency on nicotine.

While they are not 'tobacco products', they should be regulated as tobacco cigarettes are regulated.

The only non-regulated e-cigarettes should be those which are used to smoke solutions not containing nicotine, and to ensure the regulation of the nicotine-containing solution can be enforced, separate non-compatible/non-convertible models should be developed for nicotine and non-nicotine use.
I know people that switched to e-cigs and within weeks were using the non- nicotine fluid solution.  So they should not necessarily  be regulated the same as tobacco products considering the people that I know still use them with the harmless vegetable vapor.  (it smells like cupcakes)

Edited by OverSword, 01 June 2014 - 04:07 AM.


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Posted 01 June 2014 - 04:57 AM

Thats it cupcakes,that is the scent.I kept trying to think of where i knew that smell,i compared it to waffles with a bit of syrup.Good call!

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