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#1    FlyingAngel

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Posted 01 June 2014 - 03:46 PM

I've been thinking.. if a smartphone could send a signal up to space, 1000 miles away, then why shouldn't our brain ?
Empathy, gut feelings, telepathy connections... maybe all of them are true?

What do you think?


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Posted 01 June 2014 - 04:02 PM

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Your brain isn't a smartphone and psychic abilities aren't science


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Posted 01 June 2014 - 04:09 PM

View PostFlyingAngel, on 01 June 2014 - 03:46 PM, said:

I've been thinking.. if a smartphone could send a signal up to space, 1000 miles away, then why shouldn't our brain ?
Empathy, gut feelings, telepathy connections... maybe all of them are true?

What do you think?

I agree. We are not phones.
Also..empathy is not a psychic ability. It is just a fancy way of saying "I can see you are feeling sad/happy/angry..".
Gut feelings are also a fancy way of saying "I think such and such will happen if nothing is done to correct this situation."

It would be nice if these abilities were real but so far any studies that have been done are conducted by those who are too influenced by what they want to be true and thus their results are often slanted and doctored to support their desires.

Again no one has been able to tell me just what real use and real advantage these abilities have in ones real life.

So far it seems that any incident with so-called "abilities" has been easily defined by normal, mundane explanations.


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Posted 01 June 2014 - 04:25 PM

You didn't think this out very well did you?

But hey if fish can breathe underwater then so can you..


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Posted 01 June 2014 - 04:37 PM

View PostRyu, on 01 June 2014 - 04:09 PM, said:

I agree. We are not phones.
Also..empathy is not a psychic ability. It is just a fancy way of saying "I can see you are feeling sad/happy/angry..".
Gut feelings are also a fancy way of saying "I think such and such will happen if nothing is done to correct this situation."

It would be nice if these abilities were real but so far any studies that have been done are conducted by those who are too influenced by what they want to be true and thus their results are often slanted and doctored to support their desires.

Again no one has been able to tell me just what real use and real advantage these abilities have in ones real life.

So far it seems that any incident with so-called "abilities" has been easily defined by normal, mundane explanations.
Yeah we are not phones. But a brain emitting radio wave for 1000 miles distance is not impossible, right? It's just that we don't have anything to capture and read it, right?

View PostRlyeh, on 01 June 2014 - 04:25 PM, said:

You didn't think this out very well did you?

But hey if fish can breathe underwater then so can you..
So as you say, our brain has no ability to emit radio wave?
Well there are things in this world that share common things : human can't breath underwater, so does a cat?

Edited by FlyingAngel, 01 June 2014 - 04:44 PM.


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Posted 01 June 2014 - 04:59 PM

Science is a system for analyzing things and producing measurable results that anyone (or anything) can replicate with a high degree of success.

If I push a rock off a cliff, it falls at 32ft/second (squared) in Earth's atmosphere, no matter where I am, no matter how old I am, no matter if the rock is pushed by a snake or by the wind or Albert Einstein.  Likewise, we can measure the strength of muscle cells (science) whether the muscle is from a fish, a clam, an earthworm, or Albert Einstein (poor Albert!) and we get results that are true for every fish, clam, earthworm, or human.

If it "only works some times and only if the conditions are exactly right and only for special people, then it's not science.


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Posted 01 June 2014 - 05:08 PM

View PostFlyingAngel, on 01 June 2014 - 04:37 PM, said:

So as you say, our brain has no ability to emit radio wave?
Well there are things in this world that share common things : human can't breath underwater, so does a cat?
You should try to breathe underwater.


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Posted 01 June 2014 - 05:30 PM

View PostKenemet, on 01 June 2014 - 04:59 PM, said:

Science is a system for analyzing things and producing measurable results that anyone (or anything) can replicate with a high degree of success.

If I push a rock off a cliff, it falls at 32ft/second (squared) in Earth's atmosphere, no matter where I am, no matter how old I am, no matter if the rock is pushed by a snake or by the wind or Albert Einstein.  Likewise, we can measure the strength of muscle cells (science) whether the muscle is from a fish, a clam, an earthworm, or Albert Einstein (poor Albert!) and we get results that are true for every fish, clam, earthworm, or human.

If it "only works some times and only if the conditions are exactly right and only for special people, then it's not science.
It's science as long as it falls under the law of physics.

View PostRlyeh, on 01 June 2014 - 05:08 PM, said:

You should try to breathe underwater.
I tried and I can't.
A monkey can climb a tree, I bet you can too (with a little of training) :)

Edited by FlyingAngel, 01 June 2014 - 05:32 PM.


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Posted 01 June 2014 - 05:41 PM

View PostFlyingAngel, on 01 June 2014 - 05:30 PM, said:


It's science as long as it falls under the law of physics.


I tried and I can't.
A monkey can climb a tree, I bet you can too (with a little of training) :)

It doesn't fall under the laws of physics. No part of the brain generates radio waves and no part could transmit them even if it did. I suggest brushing up on some high school science.

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Posted 01 June 2014 - 05:45 PM

Maybe we can... there's the observer effect. Who says it has to be radiowaves though?

Edited by Mikko-kun, 01 June 2014 - 05:46 PM.

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Posted 01 June 2014 - 06:11 PM

View PostFlyingAngel, on 01 June 2014 - 04:37 PM, said:

Yeah we are not phones. But a brain emitting radio wave for 1000 miles distance is not impossible, right? It's just that we don't have anything to capture and read it, right?

But is it plausible? Possibility and plausibility are two different things.


View PostFlyingAngel, on 01 June 2014 - 05:30 PM, said:

It's science as long as it falls under the law of physics.

Psychic abilities however, doesn't fall under the umbrella of physics.
It cannot be categorized since it has never been actively observed to the point that it can be distinguished as being separate from any other biological function.

Edited by Ryu, 01 June 2014 - 06:11 PM.


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Posted 01 June 2014 - 07:23 PM

View PostFlyingAngel, on 01 June 2014 - 05:30 PM, said:

It's science as long as it falls under the law of physics.
No, science also includes anthropology, paleontology, archaeology, biology, medicine, informtatics, psychology, chemistry, mathematics, geology, computer science, statistics, planetology, oceanography, astronomy (but not astrology), meterology, cosmology, gerontology, toxicology, zoology, botany, genetics, radiochemistry, geomorophology, vulcanology and a whole list .... you can find a big (but incomplete) list here if anyone's curious.
http://www.altiusdir...f-sciences.html


The problem with "psychic science" is you can't make it happen reliably and frequently.  I can make a computer program (for instance) and it will perform (once I debug it) every time I run it.  OR (if you're looking for personal talent type things), that portion of the population which has "perfect pitch" can sing a "middle C" note every single time you ask them (no matter where you are or who asks) and it will be the precise same frequency every time you ask for that note (and scientists have been studying whether this is genetic or training.)

The point is that a rare talent works every single time someone asks them to perform and with measureable results.


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Posted 01 June 2014 - 07:31 PM

View PostDecoNoir, on 01 June 2014 - 05:41 PM, said:

It doesn't fall under the laws of physics. No part of the brain generates radio waves and no part could transmit them even if it did. I suggest brushing up on some high school science.
Well, I say waves in general. It doesn't have to be "radio". Scientist is developing machine that relies on brain waves...
High school science doesn't say or does say about waves emitting, it just doesn't mention it at all

View PostKenemet, on 01 June 2014 - 07:23 PM, said:

No, science also includes anthropology, paleontology, archaeology, biology, medicine, informtatics, psychology, chemistry, mathematics, geology, computer science, statistics, planetology, oceanography, astronomy (but not astrology), meterology, cosmology, gerontology, toxicology, zoology, botany, genetics, radiochemistry, geomorophology, vulcanology and a whole list .... you can find a big (but incomplete) list here if anyone's curious.
http://www.altiusdir...f-sciences.html


The problem with "psychic science" is you can't make it happen reliably and frequently.  I can make a computer program (for instance) and it will perform (once I debug it) every time I run it.  OR (if you're looking for personal talent type things), that portion of the population which has "perfect pitch" can sing a "middle C" note every single time you ask them (no matter where you are or who asks) and it will be the precise same frequency every time you ask for that note (and scientists have been studying whether this is genetic or training.)

The point is that a rare talent works every single time someone asks them to perform and with measureable results.
Well then I think this is about neurology and radiochemistry... It's about brain and waves emitting...

View PostRyu, on 01 June 2014 - 06:11 PM, said:

But is it plausible? Possibility and plausibility are two different things.




Psychic abilities however, doesn't fall under the umbrella of physics.
It cannot be categorized since it has never been actively observed to the point that it can be distinguished as being separate from any other biological function.
I called it psychic, maybe it's not about psychic at all, it's just undiscovered science : brain, radio, waves emission. I heard somewhere say that everything in this world is made of waves..

Edited by FlyingAngel, 01 June 2014 - 07:46 PM.


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Posted 01 June 2014 - 07:41 PM

View PostFlyingAngel, on 01 June 2014 - 07:31 PM, said:


Well, I say waves in general. It doesn't have to be "radio". Scientist is developing machine that relies on brain waves...
If you mean the electricity that is transmitted along neurons, maybe. But those aren't waves at all, they're basically small impulses travelling along your nerve cells. Nothing is broadcast. Frankly there's nothing in the brain generating anything that could be broadcast, nothing to send out broadcast, or even receive broadcasts.

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High school science doesn't say or does say about waves emitting, it just doesn't mention it at all
Can't possibly imagine why.

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Posted 01 June 2014 - 08:07 PM

View PostKenemet, on 01 June 2014 - 04:59 PM, said:

Science is a system for analyzing things and producing measurable results that anyone (or anything) can replicate with a high degree of success.

If I push a rock off a cliff, it falls at 32ft/second (squared) in Earth's atmosphere, no matter where I am, no matter how old I am, no matter if the rock is pushed by a snake or by the wind or Albert Einstein.  Likewise, we can measure the strength of muscle cells (science) whether the muscle is from a fish, a clam, an earthworm, or Albert Einstein (poor Albert!) and we get results that are true for every fish, clam, earthworm, or human.

If it "only works some times and only if the conditions are exactly right and only for special people, then it's not science.

The fact that it's not science because it's not reproducible does not mean a thing is not true or accurate, however. It just means that it can't be scientifically proven. Yet. As science advances, as instrumentation develops, it may, in the future, be able to explain "psychic" phenomena. A couple of hundred years ago science believed illness was caused by demons or bad humors. Then the microscope was invented that led to a new & better understanding of our world. Today science is dealing with dark matter, unsure of what it is, how it came to be, it's functions, but pretty sure the universe is full of it. Eventually they'll find some answers. Science doesn't know everything.

I remember this story about the middle ages. The educated, scientific folk believes that the tides were caused by a great dragon that lived in an underwater cave. When the dragon left the cave the tide receded, when it occupied the cave, the tide advanced. They scoffed at the ignorant peasants who insisted on maintaining the belief that the tides were affected by the moon.





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