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#1    ask21771

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Posted 01 June 2014 - 10:39 PM

I had this thought awhile back and I can't find a way to rule it out completely: what if God is evil and all good and positive things  are a temporary lie if God is omnipotent he could create illusions  that seem real on all levels allegedly so all the spiritual experiences relating to heaven what if their illusions and there is only hopeless eternal torment. This makes me upset please tell me why it's impossible to be true


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Posted 01 June 2014 - 11:20 PM

Speaking of the biblical mentions, the best place for the deceiver to hide is plain sight, IE at the head of modern churches.  Which is roughly what revelations says he would eventually do.

Sorry I can't put your mind to rest on this one.

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Posted 01 June 2014 - 11:23 PM

The texts of the Bible does mention that God will send strong delusions to nonbelievers so they believe a lie.This was written so believers would not listen to nonbelievers, because nonbelievers are under God's delusion.

Check the links in my sig, and decide for yourself if God is even real.

I suggest starting with this first.

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Edited by davros of skaro, 01 June 2014 - 11:27 PM.

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https://m.youtube.co...h?v=IybD2xzkhtc <-- "Mythical Moses" Dr. Price (starts@10:20)
http://www.unexplain...howtopic=272571 <-- Science Behind Irrational Beliefs
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Posted 01 June 2014 - 11:26 PM

View Postdavros of skaro, on 01 June 2014 - 11:23 PM, said:

The texts of the Bible does mention that God will send strong delusions to nonbelievers so they believe a lie.This was written so believers would not listen to nonbelievers, because nonbelievers are under God's delusion.

Check the links in my sig, and decide for yourself if God is even real.

Btw the user Mystic Crusader will love you for your question.

Reword that please simplify it are you saying that my fear could be right


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Posted 01 June 2014 - 11:38 PM

This is serious I need this idea gone


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Posted 01 June 2014 - 11:44 PM

Back in 1641, René Descartes had pretty much the same idea.

Descarte's Evil Demon is still discussed by today's philosophers. IMO - no-one's been able to practically suggest a counter for it.

For all practical purposes, however - I wouldn't worry about it. Simulated or otherwise - live the reality that you find yourself in.


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Posted 01 June 2014 - 11:49 PM

View PostTiggs, on 01 June 2014 - 11:44 PM, said:

Back in 1641, René Descartes had pretty much the same idea.

Descarte's Evil Demon is still discussed by today's philosophers. IMO - no-one's been able to practically suggest a counter for it.

For all practical purposes, however - I wouldn't worry about it. Simulated or otherwise - live the reality that you find yourself in.

The reality I'm in is miserable right now I need proof that the possibility doesn't exist or I can't function


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Posted 01 June 2014 - 11:54 PM

Belief in the OP's statement is just as true as belief in anything else, because belief is in the believer's mind and is not based on emperical evidence.

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Posted 02 June 2014 - 12:02 AM

View Postask21771, on 01 June 2014 - 11:49 PM, said:



The reality I'm in is miserable right now I need proof that the possibility doesn't exist or I can't function

God is a myth, and the mind is very much capable of self delusion.

The guy on the right was a Christian for 25 hears untill he looked at the evidence.

http://m.youtube.com...h?v=-nd0Ffv82-o


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https://m.youtube.co...h?v=79Lmmy2jfeo <-- "Mythical Jesus" Dr. Carrier
https://m.youtube.co...h?v=IybD2xzkhtc <-- "Mythical Moses" Dr. Price (starts@10:20)
http://www.unexplain...howtopic=272571 <-- Science Behind Irrational Beliefs
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Posted 02 June 2014 - 12:03 AM

View Postdavros of skaro, on 02 June 2014 - 12:02 AM, said:

God is a myth, and the mind is very much capable of self delusion.

The guy on the right was a Christian for 25 hears untill he looked at the evidence.

http://m.youtube.com...h?v=-nd0Ffv82-o

So my alternative to omnipotent evil is atheism


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Posted 02 June 2014 - 12:05 AM

I would argue the oft quoted John 3:16 would counter the idea that God is evil: "For God so loved the world that He gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life." Sounds like a pretty great gift and a pretty great sacrifice on our behalf.

Also: "When tempted, no one should say, "God is tempting me." For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone." James 1:13


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Posted 02 June 2014 - 12:19 AM

View Postask21771, on 02 June 2014 - 12:03 AM, said:



So my alternative to omnipotent evil is atheism

Well you can live in what you believe as of now, or step up to logic, reason, and look at the evidence I have provided.



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https://m.youtube.co...h?v=79Lmmy2jfeo <-- "Mythical Jesus" Dr. Carrier
https://m.youtube.co...h?v=IybD2xzkhtc <-- "Mythical Moses" Dr. Price (starts@10:20)
http://www.unexplain...howtopic=272571 <-- Science Behind Irrational Beliefs
Inanna the Goddess of love was crucified, then after 3 days/nights was resurrected. An over 3,000 yo Tablet saying this is proof of it's truth. Praise Jesus Serotonin Christ!

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Posted 02 June 2014 - 12:22 AM

View Postdavros of skaro, on 02 June 2014 - 12:19 AM, said:

Well you can live in what you believe as of now, or step up to logic, reason, and look at the evidence I have provided.

I already know something exists what I don't know is what its true moral nature is


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Posted 02 June 2014 - 12:23 AM

View PostSundew, on 02 June 2014 - 12:05 AM, said:

Also: "When tempted, no one should say, "God is tempting me." For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone." James 1:13

http://skepticsannot...ted_by_god.html




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https://m.youtube.co...h?v=79Lmmy2jfeo <-- "Mythical Jesus" Dr. Carrier
https://m.youtube.co...h?v=IybD2xzkhtc <-- "Mythical Moses" Dr. Price (starts@10:20)
http://www.unexplain...howtopic=272571 <-- Science Behind Irrational Beliefs
Inanna the Goddess of love was crucified, then after 3 days/nights was resurrected. An over 3,000 yo Tablet saying this is proof of it's truth. Praise Jesus Serotonin Christ!

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Posted 02 June 2014 - 12:25 AM

View Postask21771, on 01 June 2014 - 11:49 PM, said:

The reality I'm in is miserable right now I need proof that the possibility doesn't exist or I can't function
The possibility definitely exists. It'll still exist whether you choose to function, or otherwise.

You need to stop focusing on possibilities and start focusing on likelihoods.

Sure - it's possible that the Earth is held on the back of invisible, undetectable turtles - but what's the likelihood of that?

What's the likelihood that someone would create you just to torment you with an illusion of reality?

Lots of things are possible. Not all of them are likely.

As an atheist - I'm telling you that the first time people come across this idea, it can blow their minds a little. You obviously have some religious beliefs. Hold onto them.

It's called Faith for a reason.





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