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#436    Jor-el

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Posted 26 August 2014 - 04:59 PM

View PostXenoFish, on 26 August 2014 - 04:49 PM, said:

So who's hands will it be? My own or someone condemning me for being an infidel? Right now I can see no love in the world. No compassion, no heart, all I see is hate, and madness. All is madness.

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Posted 27 August 2014 - 03:51 AM

View PostXenoFish, on 26 August 2014 - 03:32 PM, said:

I could honestly careless. Right now I'd welcome death.

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View PostJor-el, on 26 August 2014 - 04:59 PM, said:

Be a light unto goodness, preserve justice and equality. Those things cannot be taken from a man, ever.

Yes they can!

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Posted 27 August 2014 - 04:02 AM

Have a look at this those that live in the US?

http://www.ruthfully...robert-spencer/

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Edited by Alan McDougall, 27 August 2014 - 04:19 AM.

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Posted 27 August 2014 - 09:37 AM

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Yes they can!

They cannot be taken from within you. Your life can be taken but no-one can take from within you what you choose to preserve within yourself.

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Posted 27 August 2014 - 10:19 AM

View PostJor-el, on 23 August 2014 - 08:41 PM, said:

The problem is much wider than that I'm afraid although most people will tend to fight that conclusion. I have posted a number of news articles, testimonies and even statements that demonstrate that extremism or Islamism as others call it are actually spreading. When a local Imam fighting for womens rights is threatened with a Fatwa (death sentence) if he does not change his tune, That non-Muslim women in a neighborhood are threatened with rape and other things if they don't start wearing veils, that local non-Muslim girls are constantly harassed for sex.

Tell me how is it that these extremists, who are so few as to be a minority that does not represent true Islam, can be so active in so many places? Doing so many different things that coerce local non-Muslim populations in so many different European countries, all of whom have a significant Islamic minority.

What it means for those out there who haven't got it yet.... that it is not a minority that we are talking about, it is a significant portion of the Islamic population doing these things and believing these things. The attitudes of disrespect to us and our nations is clear, we are kaffirs after all.

Jor-el, there are always positive and negative sides of everything and I take back the thing about Islam being peaceful though not fully. Also I still want to know what can be done about these kinds of things and this is not only a question for you but everyone discussing this topic and the reason I am asking for this is because these statements and proofs are kind of the ones Anders Breivik made in his manifesto which I studied in psychology and I really want to know if violence is the only option people find.


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Posted 27 August 2014 - 11:34 AM

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Jor-el, there are always positive and negative sides of everything and I take back the thing about Islam being peaceful though not fully. Also I still want to know what can be done about these kinds of things and this is not only a question for you but everyone discussing this topic and the reason I am asking for this is because these statements and proofs are kind of the ones Anders Breivik made in his manifesto which I studied in psychology and I really want to know if violence is the only option people find.

Islam as a simple religion is peaceful, the problem is the line that takes one to extremism, that line can easily be recognized: the willingness of the person to introduce Sharia Law to the legal system and state of wherever they live.

So that is what countries should be on the lookout for, and if these people are immigrants then the answer is to send them back to wherever they came from. The problem is more complicated when the person doing the campaigning for Sharia law is a citizen of ones own country. Personally Jail time would work as a deterrent up to a point, but after that one needs to consider that not all responses can be peaceful.

Breiviks hate speech against Islam is an excuse, he killed dozens of people most of whom were not even immigrants, nor Muslims. His manifesto speaks out against a lot of things, not only against Islam. but his actions are not coherent with his wording. If he was anti-Islam, why kill mainly those who weren't?

Also the problem is not the Muslim who is a believer but understands that Sharia Law cannot be implemented, that there must be a separation of State and Religion. It is the one who believes that the implementation of Sharia is the will of God, and State and Religion are one and the same thing.

He could have targeted specifically those who he ranted on about, but he choose widespread murder of innocents, most of whom had absolutely nothing to do with the politics he defended in any way.

So no, this is an excuse.

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Posted 27 August 2014 - 02:01 PM

View PostJor-el, on 27 August 2014 - 09:37 AM, said:

They cannot be taken from within you. Your life can be taken but no-one can take from within you what you choose to preserve within yourself.

Thinking about it more, you are right! :yes:

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Posted 27 August 2014 - 03:12 PM

http://www.christian...al-society.html


Islamic State terrorists continue to gain power and influence across Iraq. The Muslim extremists have pushed hundred of thousands of Christians out of their homes and many have been killed as a part of their “religious cleansing” efforts. As the terrorists wreak havoc on a formerly largely Christian region, many believe that it is the responsibility of Christians around the globe to unite and defeat the militants.

In a commentary published on Express, Douglas Murray wrote of the horrors that Iraqi Christians are facing.

“Known Christians were visited at their houses - sometimes by IS, sometimes by ordinary Muslims who used to be their neighbours - and given the options that were given to people conquered in the early years of Islam: convert to Islam, live as a second-class citizen or be killed. IS took away the second option, making the choice "convert or die.”

Christianity Today reports that the Islamic State is now giving know Christians one week to decide between converting to Islam or dying for their Christian faith.

Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby said that the level of Christian persecution in Iraq is now “off the scale.” "The international community must document the human rights abuses in northern Iraq so that the perpetrators can later be prosecuted,” he said.

Murray has called on Christians to step up and stand with Iraqi brothers and sisters in crisis. He wrote, “If we are not willing to stop IS then we must let in the Christian refugees who are fleeing. If we do neither then the Christians of Iraq look likely to be martyred in their entirety. This is a crime we cannot allow to continue. IS must not be allowed to win.

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Posted 27 August 2014 - 09:48 PM

Alan you haven't read my OP in the Broken Soul thread I posted.

I consider religion and all it's laws to be an personal things. Consisting of self-responsibility. Just because you might live by a strict code of conduct and religious observances, doesn't give you the right to force people to follow your way of living. You are always responsible for yourself and only yourself in the spiritual sense. What happens between you and god is your business. If god every decided to deal with the unbeliever then it's between them and god. Did any of that make sense?

Edited by XenoFish, 27 August 2014 - 09:50 PM.

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Posted 27 August 2014 - 09:51 PM

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Alan you haven't read my OP in the Broken Soul thread I posted.

I consider religion and all it's laws to be an personal things. Consisting of self-responsibility. Just because you might live by a strict code of conduct and religious observances, doesn't give you the right to force people to follow your way of living. To press your faith onto them. You are always responsible for yourself and only yourself in the spiritual sense. What happens between you and god is your business.

I would add to that that it wholly permissible to proselytize, as long as the person is willing to hear you, what is wrong is to force and coerce others into acceptance.

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Posted 27 August 2014 - 10:03 PM

Even if someone is willing to hear you, one should not become angry at them for not agreeing.

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Posted 27 August 2014 - 10:10 PM

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Even if someone is willing to hear you, one should not become angry at them for not agreeing.

Agreed.

The basic principle to uphold and should even be quoted to the person... "Your freedom ends where mine begins".

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Posted 27 August 2014 - 10:18 PM

There is another thing to keep in mind. That whatever you give hate to, it has power over you. Makes you apart of it. I do not hate religion, I dislike what it does to some people. Certain individuals can not handle it, to them it's like giving a gun to a psychopath. They go power mad and it destroy's what soul they had. This goes for all religions, not just one.

Yet religion is not the only source of this. Race, nationality, location, political affiliation, etc. All of these can do the same thing.

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Posted 28 August 2014 - 02:21 AM

View PostXenoFish, on 25 August 2014 - 10:38 PM, said:

What my problem is that Judaism and Islam are so very similar yet most can't see it. Both are based on the same thing yet different approach. Which Christianity it's easy to see the relation between all various sects. I just wished that good ideas wouldn't go so bad.
http://www.diffen.co...slam_vs_Judaism

Judaism is older while islam is younger.


You might be surprised how many have seen it. I know a few people, including my wife who saw God in a very different light after 911, when they realised they had been praying to the same one, their outlook on religion became jaded.

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Posted 28 August 2014 - 10:42 AM

People want to blame God for all the problems of the world and this is not so (yes I'm as guilty of this as well). This world is fully in our hands. Every evil that exist in it, belongs to someones actions. Every kindness does as well. Sometimes things do happen that seem like miracles. Heck might even be minor miracles, but there personal. When people say "Why did God let this happen?" I ask myself. Why did YOU let it happen. Do not simply pray for miracles, make them happen. As I've mentioned before if you want a peaceful world, become a person of peace. Quit praying for it and DO it. Prayer can only do so much. It's just like the difference between thought and action. Thoughts can only do so much, it's when they become actions, that's when change occurs.

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