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#1    Wickian

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Posted 13 June 2014 - 09:30 PM

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The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) claimed Friday that it cannot produce Lois Lerner’s emails to and from the White House and other administration departments due to a supposed computer crash.
The IRS previously agreed to hand over all of the ex-IRS official’s emails from 2009 to 2011 to the House Ways and Means Committee, chaired by Rep. Dave Camp. But the IRS claimed Friday that it has Lerner’s emails to and from other IRS officials but it cannot produce emails to and from the Treasury and Justice Departments, the Federal Election Commission, or Democratic offices.

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Just like the article states, this is on par with the missing Watergate minutes.

edit:  I'm curious about how a single computer crash deletes emails sent via a remote server to at least two different computers.

Edited by Wickian, 13 June 2014 - 09:31 PM.


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Posted 13 June 2014 - 09:35 PM

View PostWickian, on 13 June 2014 - 09:30 PM, said:

edit:  I'm curious about how a single computer crash deletes emails sent via a remote server to at least two different computers.


It doesn't.

Further more, wouldn't the NSA have a copy? This is nonesense - it's computer sci 101. They are blatantly and very obviously trying to cover this up. How much more of this can people take?

Edited by Dark_Grey, 13 June 2014 - 09:38 PM.

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Posted 13 June 2014 - 09:36 PM

View PostWickian, on 13 June 2014 - 09:30 PM, said:

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Just like the article states, this is on par with the missing Watergate minutes.

edit:  I'm curious about how a single computer crash deletes emails sent via a remote server to at least two different computers.

On most e-mail accounts you delete the messages from the server as soon as you download them...automatically...

Now, the story still is fishy. Either the IRS is trying to hit Obama into the pan (because that is the only thing that can result from the loss) or they are slightly more incompetent than supposed. In either case, none of the two sound like people who should be collecting taxes.

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Posted 13 June 2014 - 09:48 PM

Now, given there are perhaps ten people on the planet who'll believe them, what's going to happen next?
I KNOW - nothing. The Committee, which is quel surprise, made up of those ten people, will go "well that's terrible. Chinese for lunch?" and that'll be that.

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Posted 13 June 2014 - 09:53 PM

View PostSir Wearer of Hats, on 13 June 2014 - 09:48 PM, said:

Now, given there are perhaps ten people on the planet who'll believe them, what's going to happen next?
I KNOW - nothing. The Committee, which is quel surprise, made up of those ten people, will go "well that's terrible. Chinese for lunch?" and that'll be that.
Most likely.  Having a scandal for covering up evidence is much better as far as PR goes than having evidence of the scandal they're trying to cover up.


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Posted 13 June 2014 - 10:31 PM

My tax returns were in there too. Honestly, the were...

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Posted 13 June 2014 - 11:10 PM

LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They have got to be kidding!  What complete and utter bull feces.


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Posted 14 June 2014 - 12:13 AM

I'm sure it was an honest mistake.        :lol:

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Posted 14 June 2014 - 12:18 AM

Way to go.


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Posted 15 June 2014 - 03:28 PM

6 reasons why they're bs'n...

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Norman Cillo, an Army veteran who worked in intelligence and a former program manager at Microsoft, argued it is very difficult to lose emails for good and laid out six reasons why he believes Congress is “being lied to” about the Lerner emails:

1. I believe the government uses Microsoft Exchange for their email servers. They have built-in exchange mail database redundancy. So, unless they did not follow Microsofts recommendations they are telling a falsehood. You can see by the diagram below that if you have three servers in a DAG you have three copies of the database.

2. Every IT organization that I know of has hotswappable disk drives. Every server built since 2000 has them. Meaning that if a single disk goes bad it’s easy to replace.

3. ALL Servers use some form of RAID technology. The only way that data can be totally lost (Meaning difficult to bring back) is if more than a single disk goes before the first bad disk is replaced. In the diagram below you can see that its possible to lose a single disk and still keep the data.

4. If the server crashed (Hardware failure other than disks), then the disks that contain the DATA for the Exchange database is still available because the server hardware and disks are exchangeable. Meaning that if I have another server with the same hardware in it, I can put the disks in and everything should boot right up.

5. All email servers in a professional organization use TAPE backup. Meaning if all the above fails, you can restore the server using the TAPE backups.

6. If they are talking about her local PC, then it’s a simple matter of going to the servers which have the email and getting them from the servers. If the servers have removed the data you can still get them by using the backups of the servers to recover the emails.


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Posted 15 June 2014 - 03:34 PM

Then there are these official rules about printing ALL documents...

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1.10.3.2.3  (07-08-2011)
Emails as Possible Federal Records



All federal employees and federal contractors are required by law to preserve records containing adequate and proper documentation of the organization, functions, policies, decisions, procedures, and essential transactions of the agency. Records must be properly stored and preserved, available for retrieval and subject to appropriate approved disposition schedules.

The Federal Records Act applies to email records just as it does to records you create using other media. Emails are records when they are:

Created or received in the transaction of agency business

Appropriate for preservation as evidence of the government’s function and activities, or

Valuable because of the information they contain

If you create or receive email messages during the course of your daily work, you are responsible for ensuring that you manage them properly. The Treasury Department’s current email policy requires emails and attachments that meet the definition of a federal record be added to the organization’s files by printing them (including the essential transmission data) and filing them with related paper records. If transmission and receipt data are not printed by the email system, annotate the paper copy. More information on IRS records management requirements is available at http://erc.web.irs.g...=4&CategoryID=5 or see the Records Management Handbook, IRM 1.15.1 http://publish.no.ir...DF/31421A03.PDF).

An email determined to be a federal record may eventually be considered as having historical value by the National Archivist prior to disposal. Therefore, ensure that all your communications are professional in tone.

Please note that maintaining a copy of an email or its attachments within the IRS email MS Outlook application does not meet the requirements of maintaining an official record. Therefore, print and file email and its attachments if they are either permanent records or if they relate to a specific case.


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Posted 15 June 2014 - 03:37 PM

So it's quite clear they are either lying boldly and plainly OR they are quite simply incompetent, ignorant of their policies and above all unfit to do the job at hand.

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Posted 15 June 2014 - 05:40 PM

View PostDark_Grey, on 13 June 2014 - 09:35 PM, said:

It doesn't.

Further more, wouldn't the NSA have a copy? This is nonesense - it's computer sci 101. They are blatantly and very obviously trying to cover this up. How much more of this can people take?
They've sent the NSA a letter asking for all meta data and as well as any other data they have on Loin Lerner during those years.  The NSA can either refuse to cooperate, proving they really don't answer to anyone, or they can provide the data, proving that they really do track and keep records of everything we do.


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Posted 15 June 2014 - 08:50 PM

While they may well be lying, the idiots at "theBlaze" that Fess posted, are completely wrong. They conflate modern IT organizations with the federal government. We already know that for instance, the VA is using computers from 1985!!! To suppose that the IRS is using something modern for email is a bit much considering that the Republicans in Congress will not pass anything for ANY modernization.

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Posted 15 June 2014 - 10:52 PM

Ok man. I'll think the former intelligence officer/Microsoft managers insight over yours. What's worse is that you're more offended by theblaze then the IRS lying not to mention your non-expectation of a modernized facility.

Edited by F3SS, 15 June 2014 - 10:54 PM.

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