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#1    danielost

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Posted 14 June 2014 - 09:18 AM

There are people straving to death in this world. What we are doing about this? In The USA we turn half of our corn crop into bio feul. Now ford motor company is going to make tomatoes into plastic.  The federal government throws away enough food to feed everyone. Further Brazil  grows auger cane for bio fuel.

Edited by danielost, 14 June 2014 - 09:20 AM.

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Posted 14 June 2014 - 09:37 AM

Some humans keep insisting on having more and more children while some keep insisting on getting richer and richer, the two do not sit together nicely.


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Posted 14 June 2014 - 12:37 PM

View Postdanielost, on 14 June 2014 - 09:18 AM, said:

There are people straving to death in this world. What we are doing about this? In The USA we turn half of our corn crop into bio feul. Now ford motor company is going to make tomatoes into plastic.  The federal government throws away enough food to feed everyone. Further Brazil  grows auger cane for bio fuel.
We are going to encourage war and sell arms to the world.  It's what we do best.


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Posted 14 June 2014 - 01:06 PM

Not to come across as uncaring and cold but why is it the Wests job to feed the world? Especially an over populated world? Nature will find a sustainable balance with us humans, as it does with all species that grow bigger then their env. carrying capacity. :/


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Posted 14 June 2014 - 01:20 PM

View PostBavarian Raven, on 14 June 2014 - 01:06 PM, said:

Not to come across as uncaring and cold but why is it the Wests job to feed the world? Especially an over populated world? Nature will find a sustainable balance with us humans, as it does with all species that grow bigger then their env. carrying capacity. :/
Considering some of the riches men are on the middle east and Africa has its share of rich people.


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Posted 14 June 2014 - 02:08 PM

View PostBavarian Raven, on 14 June 2014 - 01:06 PM, said:

Not to come across as uncaring and cold but why is it the Wests job to feed the world? Especially an over populated world? Nature will find a sustainable balance with us humans, as it does with all species that grow bigger then their env. carrying capacity. :/

Why because we are our brothers keeper.


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Posted 14 June 2014 - 02:59 PM

View Postdanielost, on 14 June 2014 - 02:08 PM, said:



Why because we are our brothers keeper.

In that case can you please send me your life savings. I need money for a new place and since we're all "brothers" you surely won't mind helping me out? :) cheers.


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Posted 14 June 2014 - 07:32 PM

View PostBavarian Raven, on 14 June 2014 - 02:59 PM, said:



In that case can you please send me your life savings. I need money for a new place and since we're all "brothers" you surely won't mind helping me out? :) cheers.

Don't think it would help I only have a hundred dollars.

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Posted 14 June 2014 - 07:45 PM

View Postdanielost, on 14 June 2014 - 09:18 AM, said:

There are people straving to death in this world. What we are doing about this? In The USA we turn half of our corn crop into bio feul. Now ford motor company is going to make tomatoes into plastic.  The federal government throws away enough food to feed everyone. Further Brazil  grows auger cane for bio fuel.
Charity/donations to organizations who get the food to the hungry is one possible solution.   A lot of corn isn't really suitable for human consumption, and so the numbers can be deceiving.

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Posted 14 June 2014 - 08:20 PM

View PostYamato, on 14 June 2014 - 07:45 PM, said:


Charity/donations to organizations who get the food to the hungry is one possible solution.   A lot of corn isn't really suitable for human consumption, and so the numbers can be deceiving.

Your correct a lot of corn doesn't help a lot.  But, we could use those fields to grow other foods.  But we are greedy bio fuels pay better than food.

I agree that we should help people help themselves if possible.

Edited by danielost, 14 June 2014 - 08:21 PM.

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Posted 14 June 2014 - 08:38 PM

Despite what was said about corn above, the truth is that edible corn has gone up since the USA started using it to produce bio-fuel, the effect this had was since corn is a main dietary staple in Mexico, especially amongst the poorest segment of the population, that the prices for those people to feed their family doubled overnight.  But no big deal as long as we can have cheaper fuels and can afford to drive more and further poluting that air the entire time.  The whole system really would appear a bit nuts when looked at from the outside.

Edited by OverSword, 14 June 2014 - 08:39 PM.


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Posted 15 June 2014 - 02:06 AM

It is nuts looking at it from the inside too

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Posted 15 June 2014 - 02:41 AM

People are always going to starve.

There is nothing to be done about it, if you give food to a people, that just means more people live to the potential age to breed.

Short of restricting the number of offspring a person has, all that is being done by giving food to the starving is making more people, who will then starve.

I said nothing can be done.  In reality, nothing needs to be done. This is nature, things without resources die, the others live on and reproduce.

In this instance the things just happen to be humans

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Posted 15 June 2014 - 03:18 AM

Let them eat cake.

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Posted 15 June 2014 - 03:33 AM

View PostScheming B, on 15 June 2014 - 02:41 AM, said:

People are always going to starve.

There is nothing to be done about it, if you give food to a people, that just means more people live to the potential age to breed.

Short of restricting the number of offspring a person has, all that is being done by giving food to the starving is making more people, who will then starve.

I said nothing can be done.  In reality, nothing needs to be done. This is nature, things without resources die, the others live on and reproduce.

In this instance the things just happen to be humans
And yet we resist nature all of the time don't we?  Ever been to the doctor?  It's likely several people that read this would have died without medication at some point.





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