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#1    Astra.

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Posted 15 June 2014 - 11:40 AM

A large number of over 400 ex high ranking officials, including air traffic control, ex secret OP officers, commercial pilots, numerous military defense

specialists with top clearance, people who had access to very sensitive documents, lieutenants, ex commanders in the US air-force, and astronauts go

before the National Press Club to discuss what their experiences have been regarding UFO's.

All stood before Congress testifying under Oath.





~ It would be irrational not to except these people's testimony's ~

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Posted 15 June 2014 - 12:06 PM

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I first watched the Disclosure Project on this forum...back in 2007 ...and I was STUNNED.

I said that I was stunned on the thread and someone jumps on it....oh what's stunning about THAT blah blah blah..

It was my first taste of the opposition to this subject and to the DP..
I wasn't put off (of course..lol) and since then I have been trying to learn (on and off) about what's going on and what it's all about..


To be honest I was in shock after watching it...stunned and shocked :)

I had read a bit of this and that about UFOs over the years, but nothing too heavy or serious..
And I had a copy of The Sirius Mystery by Robert Temple...and that is pretty interesting, to
say the least..

But I hadn't come across anything like the DP about UFO/ET stuff in modern times and I was...Woah!!!


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Posted 15 June 2014 - 12:26 PM

View PostAstra00, on 15 June 2014 - 11:40 AM, said:

A large number of over 400 ex high ranking officials, including air traffic control, ex secret OP officers, commercial pilots, numerous military defense

specialists with top clearance, people who had access to very sensitive documents, lieutenants, ex commanders in the US air-force, and astronauts go

before the National Press Club to discuss what their experiences have been regarding UFO's.

All stood before Congress testifying under Oath.



~ It would be irrational not to except these people's testimony's ~

Quite.  They are clearly not all black military craft.  If humans were flying such exotic machinery on that scale it would have leaked out by now.  I can accept that we have a few craft that were reverse engineered from ET vehicles, but it cannot be that many.

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I first watched the Disclosure Project on this forum...back in 2007 ...and I was STUNNED.

I said that I was stunned on the thread and someone jumps on it....oh what's stunning about THAT blah blah blah..

It was my first taste of the opposition to this subject and to the DP..
I wasn't put off (of course..lol) and since then I have been trying to learn (on and off) about what's going on and what it's all about..


To be honest I was in shock after watching it...stunned and shocked :)

I had read a bit of this and that about UFOs over the years, but nothing too heavy or serious..
And I had a copy of The Sirius Mystery by Robert Temple...and that is pretty interesting, to
say the least..

But I hadn't come across anything like the DP about UFO/ET stuff in modern times and I was...Woah!!!


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Check out the Close Encounters series on youtube.  The cases are simply awesome.

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Posted 15 June 2014 - 12:30 PM

It seems to me that what we commonly refer to as UFOs are not aerodynamic vehicles.  That is, they do not "fly" in our atmosphere in the sense our aircraft do.

If there is a black program that has somehow bypassed the physical constraints of aerodynamics, I would be surprised, though anything is possible.


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Posted 15 June 2014 - 12:37 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 15 June 2014 - 12:30 PM, said:

It seems to me that what we commonly refer to as UFOs are not aerodynamic vehicles.  That is, they do not "fly" in our atmosphere in the sense our aircraft do.

If there is a black program that has somehow bypassed the physical constraints of aerodynamics, I would be surprised, though anything is possible.


I think you're right...

From what I've gathered.. it could have something to do with time technology....and shrinking distances/space...
kind of 'jumping' from one location in space to another...somehow... :tu:


but once in out atmosphere..they might have to fit in with the 'rules' our atmosphere...?


not sure about that last bit



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Posted 15 June 2014 - 12:57 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 15 June 2014 - 12:30 PM, said:

It seems to me that what we commonly refer to as UFOs are not aerodynamic vehicles.  That is, they do not "fly" in our atmosphere in the sense our aircraft do.

If there is a black program that has somehow bypassed the physical constraints of aerodynamics, I would be surprised, though anything is possible.

The Loring AFB UFO was one good example.  There is a very good dramatisation of it on Close Encounters S01 E11.  

Appreciated that it is a dramatisation but checking the content of this show against the official investigations I have found them to be pretty accurate.

The object is seen on radar while being watched by two security base personnel.  Then suddenly it blinks out and is lost on radar.  Where did it go?  Later it reappears.

Clearly they have the ability to exit our time and space; which tells you that such a physical event is possible.

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Posted 15 June 2014 - 12:58 PM

@ Hiya Bee, yes...I remember coming across this particular 2001 UFO Disclosure some time ago. Life happens, and at that time I was interested in the phenomenon, but of course other priorities took place :)

I was a little hesitant in putting the link in here, as I assumed that it has probably been seen and discussed before.

Then I thought, well no doubt there are many newer members who have joined and may find it interesting and rather eye opening as well. umm! (the believers, that is) ;)

It doesn't matter if this Disclosure info was 13 years ago....or 13 days ago...history is always relevant to the now, especially a topic such as this one.

I actually find it one of the better Disclosure's..... upfront, clear and more transparent with the testimonies imo.

"The Sirius Mystery" by Robert Temple?...I haven't heard of it....but I will certainly follow it up Bee. :)

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Posted 15 June 2014 - 01:04 PM

View PostAstra00, on 15 June 2014 - 12:58 PM, said:


It doesn't matter if this Disclosure info was 13 years ago....or 13 days ago...history is always relevant to the now, especially a topic such as this one.


Absolutely...I totally agree........ :yes:

and thanks for the thread


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Posted 15 June 2014 - 01:10 PM

View Postzoser, on 15 June 2014 - 12:57 PM, said:

The Loring AFB UFO was one good example.  There is a very good dramatisation of it on Close Encounters S01 E11.  

Appreciated that it is a dramatisation but checking the content of this show against the official investigations I have found them to be pretty accurate.

The object is seen on radar while being watched by two security base personnel.  Then suddenly it blinks out and is lost on radar.  Where did it go?  Later it reappears.

Clearly they have the ability to exit our time and space; which tells you that such a physical event is possible.
Totally agree zozer...their craft is so advanced, the mind just boggles. The way in which they can appear then disappear off radar is astounding.

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Posted 15 June 2014 - 08:48 PM

Right.

What I was talking about was more reference the idea that the US has its own sort of flying saucer.  I can remember pictures somewhere of efforts to get flying a saucer type vehicle, efforts by the military, and filmed.  They had a lot of trouble with stability, but they were bound by aerodynamic principles as we know them.

I have no idea how other reported objects do not seem affected by aerodynamic considerations.??


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Posted 15 June 2014 - 09:22 PM

View Postzoser, on 15 June 2014 - 12:26 PM, said:

Quite.  They are clearly not all black military craft.  If humans were flying such exotic machinery on that scale it would have leaked out by now.
OHH so the government can keep aliens a secret but can't keep stuff they've built themselves (and thus, fully control when and where it flies and who sees it when it's on the ground) secret?
Come on Zoser, that's like having a cake and wanting to eat mine as well.

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Posted 15 June 2014 - 10:56 PM

View PostSir Wearer of Hats, on 15 June 2014 - 09:22 PM, said:

OHH so the government can keep aliens a secret but can't keep stuff they've built themselves (and thus, fully control when and where it flies and who sees it when it's on the ground) secret?
Come on Zoser, that's like having a cake and wanting to eat mine as well.

One really wonders if Zoser et. al. cannot see the contradictions in what they are suggesting. Outright absurd...

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Posted 16 June 2014 - 04:35 AM

View PostAstra00, on 15 June 2014 - 11:40 AM, said:

A large number of over 400 ex high ranking officials, including air traffic control, ex secret OP officers, commercial pilots, numerous military defense

specialists with top clearance, people who had access to very sensitive documents, lieutenants, ex commanders in the US air-force, and astronauts go

before the National Press Club to discuss what their experiences have been regarding UFO's.

All stood before Congress testifying under Oath.





~ It would be irrational not to except these people's testimony's ~

It is irrational to accept them with Stephen Greers spin on them, you have a one way conversation going on here and are accepting people like Greer, Donna Hare, John Callahan all at face value with no objectivness at all. These people have made claims that have been proven to be wrong. They insist their interpretation are correct despite evidence to the contrary and cannot back their claims. How many times has Donna been asked to provide a satellite photo from the 70-s that can resolve a number plate? Just one example and she would be justified, but she cannot do it, because she is making stuff up. Callahans's take on the JAL case was laughable. His "key" witnesses had no idea what he was going on about with cover ups and the like. Robert Salas? LOL!!! As is that was not ludicrous enough, we have the illustrious Clifford Stone topping it all off.
And note Edgar Mitchell's statements totally refutes John Maynard, Karl Wolf and Donna Hare. And he cut ties with Greer. Why might that be?

Now note, this is not opinion, that above have been totally debunked - not just questioned - proven wrong and have been given every opportunity to fortify their claims.

And note the many references to RADAR tracks. Not one single RADAR record has ever show a single UFO heading out into, or coming from space. Not a single one, ever.

While taking the word of these people, one has to not only overlook many inconsistencies, but one has to deny others they champion in other instances, which is in direct conflict with the claims placed down here. As mentioned, Edgar Mitchell clearly states NASA is on the level, but to have faith in the Disclosure Project, the opposite must be true, so do you listen to Greer or Mitchell on that one? What do believers always say? "Were you there"? Mitchell was, Greer was not. Where does that leave us? With Clifford Stones 57 alien species in orbit at any given moment - and with telescopes being as well priced as they are, that seems pretty preposterous, or do we believe Edgar Mitchell who did work at NASA, but claim no first hand knowledge as opposed to Greer tall tales of intimate contact - like this:

On Feb. 23rd, Dr. Steven Greer of CSETI posted the following: "Nerve Gas Attack on ET Base Backfires on Covert Forces: A recent attack by covert forces with a deadly Sarin-like nerve gas on the ET spaceport under 14,345 foot Mount Blanca, Colorado, ended in disaster when the attacking forces were overcome by the gas and a quarter of the personnel involved had to be medically evacuated..."
In a telephone interview, Greer told a supporter that last June, while he and his group were training in the San Luis Valley, he "remote-viewed the ETs inside the mountain". People in his group saw Greer disappear in a "gold light" which seemed to be coming from above them. Then a "semi-circle of a dozen ET elders, all different sized" surrounded Greer and told him that they were "under attack in the mountain by a covert military force".


Source - Saucer smear Vol. 4.

LOL, yeah, totally believable and on the level. But hey, if that is a bit shaky - he does have photographs of aliens!!



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Best dig out that credit card and help Mr Greer continue this groundbreaking work hey? Without him bringing us photos of Alien Moth people, I mean how would we get on.


The disclosure Project is a joke at best, and has only one agenda.

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Ed Mitchell on Stephen Greer - Head of the Disclosure Project:


(Edgar Mitchell) Although I firmly believe it is time for openness and disclosure by government, I object to being misused in this fashion and acquire guilt by association with certain claims that simply are not true.


To be frank, I do not think you look at these things very closely at all. I think you get impressed by the headline and that's all there is to it. Upon further investigation, nothing more is revealed.

2001 disclosure. Disclosure?? 2001?? What year is it again? Gee, that was valuable.

Edited by psyche101, 16 June 2014 - 04:40 AM.

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Posted 16 June 2014 - 04:41 AM

View PostAstra00, on 15 June 2014 - 01:10 PM, said:

Totally agree zozer...their craft is so advanced, the mind just boggles. The way in which they can appear then disappear off radar is astounding.

But they do not go into space according to RADAR - which seems something of a prerequisite for a spaceship??

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Posted 16 June 2014 - 04:48 AM

View Postzoser, on 15 June 2014 - 12:57 PM, said:

The Loring AFB UFO was one good example.

That had speed and motions similar to a Helicopter.


At 8:45 p.m. Sgt. Grover K. Eggleston was on duty in the control tower when a call came from the command post requesting a radar track on the mysterious craft. For 40 minutes he observed the object on radar circling around, then it abruptly vanished from the screen as if it had either landed or dropped below the minimum level of radar coverage. Witnesses observed the craft flying away toward New Brunswick. Radar tracked it again as it receded from the base until contact was lost in the vicinity of Grand Falls, 12 miles from Loring AFB.
The next night at 7:45 p.m. a similar craft with body lights again approached the base, tracked on radar, and maneuvered around in the vicinity for more than 30 minutes. Its speed and motions were similar to those of a helicopter. The craft would appear and disappear from view. Its lights went off and the craft reappeared over the weapons storage area at 150 feet (45 meters). At about this time Sgt. Steven Eichner, a B-52 crew chief, Sgt. R. Jones, and other crew members spotted an unidentified red and orange object over the flight line. It looked like a "stretched out football" (cigar-shaped) and was hovering in mid-air.
On October 30, 1975, at Wurtsmith AFB, Michigan, about 10:10 p.m., base personnel saw the running lights of a low-flying craft thought to be a helicopter, except that it hovered and moved up and down erratically near the base perimeter. One white light was pointed downward and two red lights were visible near the trailing edge. Airman Michael J. Myers, an air policeman on duty near the main gate, saw several unidentified lights near the western edge of the base. The object turned north and appeared to lose altitude.



RADAR tracked that one too, and it did not go into space either.

None do. That's a pretty major point when claiming these things are spaceships. Totally ignored by those more desperate for personal validation.

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