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#1    Still Waters

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Posted 15 June 2014 - 01:00 PM

President Barack Obama said denying climate change is like arguing that the moon is made of cheese, as he issued a call for action on global warming to Saturday's graduates of the University of California, Irvine.

Obama told the tens of thousands gathered at Angel Stadium that Congress "is full of folks who stubbornly and automatically reject the scientific evidence" and say climate change is a hoax or fad, while others avoid the question.

http://www.telegraph...ng-science.html

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Posted 15 June 2014 - 01:04 PM

I think Obama is an idiot and a puppet so he can take his views on climate change and shove where the sun don't shine.

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Posted 15 June 2014 - 01:10 PM

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View Postbulveye, on 15 June 2014 - 01:04 PM, said:

I think Obama is an idiot and a puppet so he can take his views on climate change and shove where the sun don't shine.

That's smart. Ignore all evidence built up over years because you don't like Obama.

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Posted 15 June 2014 - 01:25 PM

Oh, mr. president, can we tone the rhetoric down a bit please, it sounds so like a religious doctrine and articles of faith that you have to subscribe to to hold the "correct" views. Is there a creed that you have to recite to prove that you're correctly pure in thought?

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Posted 15 June 2014 - 01:40 PM

It is interesting to see Australian Prime minister Abbott along with Canada offered us the United Kingdom to them in an alliance against Obama's tax rises and unwise plan to address Global Warming. stupidly the UK said no to joining them. :angry: we should have jumped at the chance, the UK emits 1% of Global C02 why should we put ourselves in economic disadvantage when the USA alone contributes 18%. Yet between ourselves - Australia, Canada and UK. we emit about 4.3%

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Posted 15 June 2014 - 02:14 PM

Climatgate and other events didn't help my faith in it.... Science is fine but it is ran by humans you know.

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Posted 15 June 2014 - 02:29 PM

Does anyone really doubt that the climate is changing?  I don't.  I doubt that humans are the driving force behind it.

edit to add obligatory 'Obama is an idiot'.

Edited by OverSword, 15 June 2014 - 02:30 PM.


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Posted 15 June 2014 - 02:36 PM

View Poststevewinn, on 15 June 2014 - 01:40 PM, said:

It is interesting to see Australian Prime minister Abbott along with Canada offered us the United Kingdom to them in an alliance against Obama's tax rises and unwise plan to address Global Warming. stupidly the UK said no to joining them. :angry: we should have jumped at the chance, the UK emits 1% of Global C02 why should we put ourselves in economic disadvantage when the USA alone contributes 18%. Yet between ourselves - Australia, Canada and UK. we emit about 4.3%
No one ever seems to understand the concept of per capita emissions. Your statement is meaningless unless you grasp what per capita emissions means.
Unfortunately both Canada and Australia have elected right wing administrations who have followed the US Republican lead on science denial. Ideology over evidence its the conservative way :tu:

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Posted 15 June 2014 - 03:01 PM

View PostBr Cornelius, on 15 June 2014 - 02:36 PM, said:

No one ever seems to understand the concept of per capita emissions. Your statement is meaningless unless you grasp what per capita emissions means.
Unfortunately both Canada and Australia have elected right wing administrations who have followed the US Republican lead on science denial. Ideology over evidence its the conservative way :tu:

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that's why your on the forum to enlighten us all. everyone's post are meaningless to you except your own. you can do it per capita if you choose. you just burden many of the poor countries. shame on you. but that's the mentality the proponents of climate change. its a good job these fanatics are not in charge they'd bankrupt the country to save a tree.

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Posted 15 June 2014 - 03:07 PM

View Poststevewinn, on 15 June 2014 - 03:01 PM, said:

that's why your on the forum to enlighten us all. everyone's post are meaningless to you except your own. you can do it per capita if you choose. you just burden many of the poor countries. shame on you. but that's the mentality the proponents of climate change. its a good job these fanatics are not in charge they'd bankrupt the country to save a tree.
per capita comparisons favour poorer countries since they always have lower per capita emissions. This is the point - only by offering equity to every citizen of the world to make a fair and equal contribution to the overall emissions we are allowed can we hope to lower overall emissions whilst simultaneously allowing development in the poorest countries.

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Posted 15 June 2014 - 03:16 PM

View PostOverSword, on 15 June 2014 - 02:29 PM, said:

Does anyone really doubt that the climate is changing?  I don't.  I doubt that humans are the driving force behind it.

edit to add obligatory 'Obama is an idiot'.

To be honest, the greenhouse effect is very basic science. To deny the fact that we have been the most recent cause behind it is absurd.
But even if that were not the case, the fact that the climate is noticeably changing should give us enough to pause to consider doing something to mitigate further changes that will damage our civilization.

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Posted 15 June 2014 - 03:40 PM

View PostBr Cornelius, on 15 June 2014 - 03:07 PM, said:

per capita comparisons favour poorer countries since they always have lower per capita emissions. This is the point - only by offering equity to every citizen of the world to make a fair and equal contribution to the overall emissions we are allowed can we hope to lower overall emissions whilst simultaneously allowing development in the poorest countries.

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where does China rank when emissions are calculated by country - compared to per capita. what is the difference, and do the same for Australia. what happens?

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Posted 15 June 2014 - 03:42 PM

View PostImaginarynumber1, on 15 June 2014 - 03:16 PM, said:

To be honest, the greenhouse effect is very basic science. To deny the fact that we have been the most recent cause behind it is absurd.
But even if that were not the case, the fact that the climate is noticeably changing should give us enough to pause to consider doing something to mitigate further changes that will damage our civilization.
I didn't say we are not contributing, I believe that we do affect the climate.  I do not believe that we are the main or even a very large factor and also believe it will happen regardless of what we do.  However, I'm always for more environmentally friendly ways of doing things and I witness that we are constantly doing more and more of this at least where I live.  People like the president that want to make huge sweeping debilitating changes right fricking now are extremist idiots.  But what would ou expect from the puppet in chief?


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Posted 15 June 2014 - 04:24 PM

View PostOverSword, on 15 June 2014 - 03:42 PM, said:

I didn't say we are not contributing, I believe that we do affect the climate.  I do not believe that we are the main or even a very large factor and also believe it will happen regardless of what we do.  However, I'm always for more environmentally friendly ways of doing things and I witness that we are constantly doing more and more of this at least where I live.  People like the president that want to make huge sweeping debilitating changes right fricking now are extremist idiots.  But what would ou expect from the puppet in chief?

I don't think the problem is the president wanting to make sweeping changes.  We should make sweeping changes and we should do it now, but that's not the problem.  The problem bis that more than half of the people that are in power and could do something pretend like there is nothing going on. Climate change is going to start having major effects and these people still will just ignore it.

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Posted 15 June 2014 - 06:10 PM

View Poststevewinn, on 15 June 2014 - 03:40 PM, said:

where does China rank when emissions are calculated by country - compared to per capita. what is the difference, and do the same for Australia. what happens?
China has a per capita emission rate of about 3-4tonnes. Australia has one of the highest at about 20tonnes.
Sustainable emissions levels for the future are about 2tonnes per capita, which allows much of Africa and India to increase emissions along with their standard of living.

Those figures are off the top of my head - but are in the right ball park. More accurate figures are available at Wiki.
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