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#1    XenoFish

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Posted 16 June 2014 - 01:35 AM

I am one of many individuals who have had unfortunate run in with the dark side of religion. Often coming across the bad apples of various faiths. From the highly devout to the almost fanatical. This has made me very agnostic to the whole thing. I want to believe wholly in God but I can't because of what religion has done to me. I don't care what faith you are, I don't care what religion or where you come from. I want to know what the human aspect is like? Are you one of the highly devout to the point of being narrow minded fanatic? Are you what I call those of casual faith, in which you simply pray and do the best you can to live a good life? Help me understand. Help change my views so that I don't become jaded. Here is a chance to show a doubter your faith. Anyone, Christian, Jew, Muslim, and/or Pagan. I don't care who. Educate me.

What is the most resilient parasite? An idea. A single idea from the human mind can build cities. An idea can change the world and rewrite all the rules.
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Posted 16 June 2014 - 01:53 AM

Does it matter if it's true, or not?

Are you just looking for transformation of self?

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https://m.youtube.co...h?v=79Lmmy2jfeo <-- "The Mythical Jesus"

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Posted 16 June 2014 - 02:04 AM

I don't know what I'm looking for anymore. I see no hope in anything. That religion is supposed to make someone into a better person, but all I come across are narrow minded bigots.

What is the most resilient parasite? An idea. A single idea from the human mind can build cities. An idea can change the world and rewrite all the rules.
We all are Gods and Demons-exerting the energy of will to squeeze the anarchic creativity of nature into our own image.

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Posted 16 June 2014 - 02:16 AM

Nobody can educate you.  You have to educate yourself.  My suggestion:  Read as much as you can and see what "sticks."  I first suggest reading from traditional sources, for instance the Bible, the Quran, or the Bhagavad Gita.  The Buddhist Dhammapada is also a great work of religious literature, but it's not focused on the Western idea of a Personal God. Also trust your intuition:  If something feels "wrong" to you, then it probably is.  The same for trusting your reason.


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Posted 16 June 2014 - 02:26 AM

I've done this and have found very few things that stick. From Christianity I found the Golden Rule, which is an easier moral code to understand. From studies asian religions I found Dao. Then I found something called Dark-Working which is where you basically focus on yourself and your happiness. So my spirituality is not one of the common paradigms. I've even gone so far as to practice Chaos Magick so that I could experience various religions. Yet the more I spent doing this the more I realized that I use using psychological programming. Nothing more than glorified self help.

What is the most resilient parasite? An idea. A single idea from the human mind can build cities. An idea can change the world and rewrite all the rules.
We all are Gods and Demons-exerting the energy of will to squeeze the anarchic creativity of nature into our own image.

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Posted 16 June 2014 - 02:41 AM

View PostXenoFish, on 16 June 2014 - 02:04 AM, said:

I don't know what I'm looking for anymore. I see no hope in anything. That religion is supposed to make someone into a better person, but all I come across are narrow minded bigots.

Heck Xeno, you described yourself earlier as agnostic but that you want to believe in God. But, just now, you mentioned the Golden Rule. The Golden Rule is not from Christianity, it's universal to all humanity, secular and non-secular alike. Every main religion has a version that quotes the same meaning.

Once I affirmed that, I realized that I'm comfortable with it. I now label myself as an 'indifferent agnostic'. I don't care anymore whether or not God exists. I care more about you, me and everyone else and how we treat each other. If there is a God, I'm sure that it would endorse that message.

God, Yahweh, Jehovah, the Life Force, the Creator... we can call it what ever we want, but the one thing that I do believe is that we're never meant to understand it while we're here on this earth. Once I accepted that concept, the Golden Rule and all it's subtle variations became much clearer.

Edited by Likely Guy, 16 June 2014 - 02:43 AM.


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Posted 16 June 2014 - 02:46 AM

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Once I affirmed that, I realized that I'm comfortable with it. I now label myself as an 'indifferent agnostic'. I don't care anymore whether or not God exists. I care more about you, me and everyone else and how we treat each other. If there is a God, I'm sure that it would endorse that message.

This makes a lot of sense. Thank you.

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We all are Gods and Demons-exerting the energy of will to squeeze the anarchic creativity of nature into our own image.

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Posted 16 June 2014 - 02:48 AM

Addendum: http://www.teachingv...goldenrule.html


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Posted 16 June 2014 - 02:52 AM

So I guess the best route would be to continue trying my best to live by the golden rule. Not worrying about religion at all. Just try to live a good life.

What is the most resilient parasite? An idea. A single idea from the human mind can build cities. An idea can change the world and rewrite all the rules.
We all are Gods and Demons-exerting the energy of will to squeeze the anarchic creativity of nature into our own image.

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Posted 16 June 2014 - 02:58 AM

View PostXenoFish, on 16 June 2014 - 02:52 AM, said:

So I guess the best route would be to continue trying my best to live by the golden rule. Not worrying about religion at all. Just try to live a good life.

The nail, IMO, you hit it squarely on the head. :)

ETA: After all, isn't that the human aspect of religion? Humanism isn't/shouldn't be about idolatry, dogmas, ancient myths and texts. We all know, deep down inside, what's the right thing to do.

Edited by Likely Guy, 16 June 2014 - 03:03 AM.


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Posted 16 June 2014 - 03:05 AM

View PostXenoFish, on 16 June 2014 - 02:52 AM, said:

So I guess the best route would be to continue trying my best to live by the golden rule. Not worrying about religion at all. Just try to live a good life.

That's basically where I am... definitely more spiritual in my thinking and actions than I used to be, and a lot less concerned about anything to do with religion.

Best wishes in your journey.


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Posted 16 June 2014 - 03:09 AM

Best wishes to you as well. I'm just tired of trying. Sorry to anyone in any of the religious thread that I might have offended. Considering that I have had very few good religious experiences you now know why I am the way I am. Please forgive me.

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Posted 16 June 2014 - 03:20 AM

Personally I look back at some of the religious stuff I've done in the past and see much of it as having been a waste of time.

I'd much rather spend my time now on the things that matter to me, my family, and those whom I love.


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Posted 16 June 2014 - 03:30 AM

View PostHugh, on 16 June 2014 - 03:20 AM, said:

Personally I look back at some of the religious stuff I've done in the past and see much of it as having been a waste of time.

I'd much rather spend my time now on the things that matter to me, my family, and those whom I love.

While I 'liked' your post, I must add that many religious groups do very good work, so that it isn't a "waste of time". To each, their own path.


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Posted 16 June 2014 - 04:01 AM

View PostLikely Guy, on 16 June 2014 - 02:41 AM, said:



Heck Xeno, you described yourself earlier as agnostic but that you want to believe in God. But, just now, you mentioned the Golden Rule. The Golden Rule is not from Christianity, it's universal to all humanity, secular and non-secular alike. Every main religion has a version that quotes the same meaning.

Once I affirmed that, I realized that I'm comfortable with it. I now label myself as an 'indifferent agnostic'. I don't care anymore whether or not God exists. I care more about you, me and everyone else and how we treat each other. If there is a God, I'm sure that it would endorse that message.

God, Yahweh, Jehovah, the Life Force, the Creator... we can call it what ever we want, but the one thing that I do believe is that we're never meant to understand it while we're here on this earth. Once I accepted that concept, the Golden Rule and all it's subtle variations became much clearer.

There are many nations with a constitution similar to the USA's.  But they are not the usa . the golden rule stands alone because it simple to understand and easy to follow.  But your also correct the golden rule appears in the old testament buried in the law of Moses.

I am a mormon.  If I don't use mormons believe, those my beliefs only.
I do not go to church haven't for thirty years.
There are other mormons on this site. So if I have misspoken about the beliefs. I welcome their input.
I am not perfect and never will be. I do strive to be true to myself. I do my best to stay true to the mormon faith. Thank for careing and if you don't peace be with you.




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