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Posted 19 June 2014 - 01:08 AM

http://news.sky.com/...ed-to-target-uk
This seems to be a coming decision that Europe (and the US) are going to have to get serious with - or pay the consequences.  If intel is there showing these citizens went to a war zone and joined the conflict should they lose their citizenship and right to return?  I'm interested to hear any opinions.

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Posted 19 June 2014 - 01:55 AM

That question reminds me of this http://en.wikipedia....hn_Walker_Lindh

To me it is a grey area and a potentially slippery slope. I think a case by case approach to dealing with that is best, let the courts decide each case and not make blanket rules.

Edited by Razer, 19 June 2014 - 02:00 AM.


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Posted 19 June 2014 - 02:36 AM

Young men have always gone off to fight in distant wars.

And the Walker Lindh example came to mind as well.

You make as many problems as you solve when you don't let people return home.

After a shooting spree, they always want to take the guns away from the people who didn't do it. I sure as hell wouldn't want to live in a society where the only people allowed guns are the police and the military.

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Posted 19 June 2014 - 02:56 AM

here in the UK, when muslims are found coming back into the country from Syria, we take no chances and throw their asses straight into jail.
the only reason young muslims go to Syria is to train and fight. we know that, they know that, so they take their chances, and we take their liberty.
fair trade.
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Posted 19 June 2014 - 03:24 AM

The west is full of politically correct dimwits afraid of offending people.

I don;t care who wins what but for such big powerful forces, they sure are little ***** cats when it comes to admitting that they;d rather not have known jihadist's and their sympathizers in their countries.

They should have learnt from their mistakes by now.

Edited by Sean93, 19 June 2014 - 03:27 AM.

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Posted 19 June 2014 - 04:30 AM

If we can clearly prove that these people joined the people we are supposedly at war with then hell yes we should not let them back.  Honestly if we know for a fact that they did then we should shoot them. Thats what we would of done to them if we found them fighting against us in the war zone

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Posted 19 June 2014 - 04:44 AM

View Postspartan max2, on 19 June 2014 - 04:30 AM, said:

If we can clearly prove that these people joined the people we are supposedly at war with then hell yes we should not let them back.  Honestly if we know for a fact that they did then we should shoot them. Thats what we would of done to them if we found them fighting against us in the war zone
So you trust the bureaucrats telling you who you're supposedly enemies with, so let's just kill our own people if they make connections with that enemy?   Are you kidding me?  

What happens when the govt does the exact same thing?   You ready to go kill Obama too?

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Posted 19 June 2014 - 05:37 AM

View PostYamato, on 19 June 2014 - 04:44 AM, said:

So you trust the bureaucrats telling you who you're supposedly enemies with, so let's just kill our own people if they make connections with that enemy?   Are you kidding me?  

What happens when the govt does the exact same thing?   You ready to go kill Obama too?
If person x uses his passport to enter a war zone and there is a record of it then there should be a reason established for that excursion.  If it was something legitimate (not becoming a jihadi) then obviously an exception would be made.  Making no attempt to curtail a flow of newly trained jihadis from re-entering the country and allowing them to use their skills against their own people is PC insanity but I fully expect some governments to be guilty of just that kind of thinking.  And while I would not mind hearing that Oby had succumbed to a lethal case of hemorrhoids I think you might be careful using the phrase "kill Obama" in any context ;)

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Posted 19 June 2014 - 08:59 AM

We can only anull citizenship if the person in question has dual-nationality.

If they are pure British, then our laws do not permit us to strip them of citizenship, as this would render them stateless.

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Posted 19 June 2014 - 01:43 PM

View PostRoofGardener, on 19 June 2014 - 08:59 AM, said:

We can only anull citizenship if the person in question has dual-nationality.

If they are pure British, then our laws do not permit us to strip them of citizenship, as this would render them stateless.
So if a native Briton decides he wants to return to London and kill as many as he can for Allah then legally all that can be done is for the state to deal with the aftermath?

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Posted 19 June 2014 - 04:25 PM

View PostYamato, on 19 June 2014 - 04:44 AM, said:

So you trust the bureaucrats telling you who you're supposedly enemies with, so let's just kill our own people if they make connections with that enemy?   Are you kidding me?  

What happens when the govt does the exact same thing?   You ready to go kill Obama too?

I was picturing it as long as its all done in civilian court in the open.

But you may have a point, im not sure. Im going to have to think about this

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Posted 20 June 2014 - 02:11 AM

View PostRoofGardener, on 19 June 2014 - 08:59 AM, said:

We can only anull citizenship if the person in question has dual-nationality.

If they are pure British, then our laws do not permit us to strip them of citizenship, as this would render them stateless.



OHMYGOD!!!  stateless WHITE people! :cry:

Now there's a cause to be really concerned about!



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Posted 20 June 2014 - 10:26 AM

View PostEarl.Of.Trumps, on 20 June 2014 - 02:11 AM, said:

OHMYGOD!!!  stateless WHITE people! :cry:

Now there's a cause to be really concerned about!



Sorry, RoofGardener, I couldn't resist lol

They exist ! We call it "Liverpool" :P

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Posted 20 June 2014 - 10:49 AM

We could always send tham back to the country where they've just been causing havoc... or put them all on a plane and blow it up in mid-air.


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Posted 20 June 2014 - 11:36 AM

View Postand then, on 19 June 2014 - 01:08 AM, said:

http://news.sky.com/...ed-to-target-uk
This seems to be a coming decision that Europe (and the US) are going to have to get serious with - or pay
the consequences. If intel is there showing these citizens went to a war zone and joined the conflict should
they lose their citizenship and right to return?  
I'm interested to hear any opinions.
Here in Germany it is proved by the Federal Prosecutor's office that approx 320 radical Salafists went to Syria to participate in the civil war there and Germany based Salafists groups are still recruiting ppl here to join the war.
Some goups had been banned here already and all groups are under permanent view of the Federal Office for
the Protection of the Constitution as these groups do not accept our constitution and it is their main target to
proselytize the German population into Islam and to establish the Sharia.
Yeah, I´m getting more and more p***ed about this freaks so I would say that all known German Salafists who do
not own the German citizenship (a granted German citizenship cannot be cancelled as per constitution) and
travelled to Syria should not be allowed to enter our country again, just keep them out forever. And the non Syria travellers as well as this community is a dangerous threat to our society and democracy. The freedom of belief is
fixed in our constitution but if a belief is used to try to bring down our democracy, appeasement is to be out of place.

Edited by toast, 20 June 2014 - 11:40 AM.

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