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'Enigma Man' may be new human species


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#1    Still Waters

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Posted 20 June 2014 - 06:32 PM

Fresh light on China's Red Deer Cave People raises big questions.

Has an Australian scientist been instrumental in helping discover a new species of human? And what does this mean for our understanding of human evolutionary history? These are two questions at the heart of a new documentary screening this week on ABC1.

http://www.smh.com.a...0616-zs9dz.html

http://www.cryptozoo...com/enigma-man/

Edited by Still Waters, 20 June 2014 - 06:34 PM.

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Posted 20 June 2014 - 06:56 PM

Hi Still Waters,

I had this link in my files and thought that I would add it,within the link there are several other links relative to the study of these ancient people.

http://medlibrary.or...eer_Cave_people

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Posted 21 June 2014 - 03:59 PM

Yeah, I also happen to have a link. I love it when they make one discovery, then they ignore it, and make another, opposing "discovery". It's like when they forget to mention Gobekli Tepe in the history books. Gotta love it. Anyway, my link is:
http://www.theguardi...human-evolution
Now work these two out, will ya?


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Posted 21 June 2014 - 06:54 PM

Well, time to begin the family outing. Hello, cousins from beyond our time! Would you like toNO NO WE USE FORKS NOT OUR HANDS BESIDES JELL-O ISN'T THAT INTERESTING

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Posted 21 June 2014 - 08:05 PM

Super cool discovery. I look forward to reading more about these people.

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Posted 21 June 2014 - 09:00 PM

Hi Rolci,

  There have been several hominid groups occupying areas of Asia for a long time. some. Differences between skulls does not mean that they belong to different hominid lines.The article that you have posted is from a different location and time frame so it is expected that there would be some morphology given the time difference and possible interbreeding with other groups.There are cranial difference  with the skeletal artifacts found in Georgia and it has been determined that these difference fall within accepted variation of a hominid group.

I am adding a couple of links and later when I have a little more time I will add a couple more


http://www.livescien...d-in-china.html


http://www.livescien...discovered.html

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Posted 21 June 2014 - 09:29 PM

This has to have some dogmatic science skeptics soiling their britches. However, I have suspected this as a possibility for quite some time.

Edited by regeneratia, 21 June 2014 - 09:35 PM.

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Posted 21 June 2014 - 09:38 PM

What do you suppose the differences are, the ones only slightly mentioned in the article?

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Posted 21 June 2014 - 10:09 PM

What I find interesting is that everyone can understand and agree that there are like 5 different Species of snub-nose monkey in Southern Asia, but some people have a real and dramatic problem if you suggest there might have been 2 or 3 species of hominid living there at some point. How would isolated populations of humans not evolve differently into new species just as a monkey does?

Humans have only stopped differentiating due to the ease of travel over the last 2000 years.

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Posted 21 June 2014 - 11:16 PM

Hi,

  I am adding these three links,two of which are about Neandertal but they will serve the purpose of illustrating how/why we find these differences within a hominid group.The third link is about the site and skeletal artifacts found in Georgia.

http://www.plosone.o...al.pone.0005151


http://www.scienceda...40619142204.htm

http://phys.org/news...ution.html#nRlv

http://www.livescien...ne-species.html

I added a forth link to expand on the information.

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Posted 22 June 2014 - 12:13 AM

I always thought there had to be different species of humans early on.  This explains differnt body features better than the "they developed as needed to suit the environment", theory.


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Posted 22 June 2014 - 01:15 AM

View Postregeneratia, on 21 June 2014 - 09:29 PM, said:

This has to have some dogmatic science skeptics soiling their britches. However, I have suspected this as a possibility for quite some time.

I don't

think that anyone who studies or follows human evolution is the least bit surprised or upset that this may be another hominid.



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Posted 22 June 2014 - 04:18 AM

Very cool find,I hope they find more of these in other caves


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Posted 22 June 2014 - 12:09 PM

View Postpaperdyer, on 22 June 2014 - 12:13 AM, said:

I always thought there had to be different species of humans early on.  This explains differnt body features better than the "they developed as needed to suit the environment", theory.

That's not how evolution works. You are suggesting Lamarckian evolution which was shown to be wrong. It is the idea that the giraffe has a long neck because it was trying to reach the upper branches of the trees.

Modern evolution suggests that those that survived were better adapted. So giraffes have a longer neck because longer necked creatures survived.


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Posted 22 June 2014 - 12:59 PM

View Postregeneratia, on 21 June 2014 - 09:29 PM, said:

This has to have some dogmatic science skeptics soiling their britches.

Why?

It's not what happened when the existence of Homo floresiensis (the hobbits of Flores) was announced.





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