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Posted 23 June 2014 - 02:00 PM

Theologian Robin Lovin doesn't believe that discovering alien life would cause a 'crisis of faith'.

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Few could doubt that the revelation that we are not alone in the universe would have significant and far-reaching consequences for society. Not only would it be one of the most important events in human history but it would also lead us to question our place in the universe and to see ourselves as a species in a new light.

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Posted 23 June 2014 - 02:27 PM

Good question!  I think die-hard Christians like my mother would just cling more closely to her Bible and take ET contact as the proof that God created the entire universe, not just this planet.  Whereas I see the Bible as the story of the Jews, she sees it as so much more.  Of course, she is almost 100 and was a Bible School teacher for a very long time.


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Posted 23 June 2014 - 02:40 PM

You can twist the bible to fit virtually any scenario or belief.I have no doubt if we found alien life some christian would pull a line out of the bible that supposedly makes reference to them.


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Posted 23 June 2014 - 02:42 PM

First I am glad this guy had a revelation that occurred to the Rand Corp. in the 60s.

And if there is one thing that history teaches us it is that we can compel our beliefs upon others no matter the destructive cost to their culture or well-being.


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Posted 23 June 2014 - 02:51 PM

Man is very egocentric and has often tried to "do away with" God, because of the implication is, that if we are created beings and not products of random chance and evolution, we might be accountable to our Creator.

We have ideas about how our world is put together, once the earth was flat, now we know better. Once the sun and solar system revolved around the earth, again ditto. We often set forth human traits that supposedly separated us from the beasts. Language was one, but then we found animals with complex languages such as cetaceans. Then we proudly said man is the only animal that uses tools, but we found birds like crows and the famous Woodpecker Finch, Sea Otters, along with our closest relatives the apes, also use tools. Douglas Adams in his famous Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, said that man did away with God, making him disappear in a "puff of logic" and then went on to prove that, "black was white and white was black, but was then summarily "run over at the next Zebra crossing." But despite attempts, the notion of a high being is still very much with us today. Sometimes that notion is misused to be sure, but neither scientific inquiry, nor communism, nor the writings of skeptics and atheists like Voltaire, Carl Sagan and Richard Dawkins have done away with God. God is still very much apart of our culture, and not our's alone; believers in some form of deity vastly outnumber those who do not believe.

Now alien contact would be something of a different order of magnitude but I don't see such contact doing away with God or the concept of God. We are talking about a Being that created the entire universe and everything in it. If Earth and our solar system is any example, God is a God of variety and creativity. He made a big universe, mind-bogglingly big, and we have discovered many alien worlds, some possibly capable of sustaining life. Whether sentient, intelligent and technological life exists outside our solar system is an open question. Whether we or such life can breech the light-speed barrier and transverse incredibly vast distances is another unknown.

Such contact would change our perspective on our place in the cosmos, but again I do not see it "doing away with God."


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Posted 23 June 2014 - 02:52 PM

My question is what would happen if they shared the exact same beliefs?


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Posted 23 June 2014 - 02:52 PM

View Postdr no, on 23 June 2014 - 02:40 PM, said:

You can twist the bible to fit virtually any scenario or belief.I have no doubt if we found alien life some christian would pull a line out of the bible that supposedly makes reference to them.
You are somewhat correct.  In fact there is a large and growing group of Christians who are concerned about just such a scenario. 2 Thessalonians 2:11
"For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false,"
Many now think that this may refer to an alien visitation.  The bible doesn't clearly reference aliens so if some show up, doing things that seem supernatural, they might readily be accepted as gods by most of humanity.  Christ laid out some specific circumstances surrounding his return.  If Luke Skywalker shows up first then I plan to keep moving and let the rest flock to him in joy ;)

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Posted 23 June 2014 - 03:02 PM

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Posted 23 June 2014 - 03:02 PM

Wait....didn't the Catholic Church come forward and say something about this already? I think they said something like God is bigger than just humanity. I am not Catholic of course but I think thats a good way to think about it. I believe in a god I am just not fond of belonging to any religion.


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Posted 23 June 2014 - 03:02 PM

View PostSundew, on 23 June 2014 - 02:51 PM, said:

Man is very egocentric and has often tried to "do away with" God, because of the implication is, that if we are created beings and not products of random chance and evolution, we might be accountable to our Creator.

No, it's the lack of evidence.

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Posted 23 June 2014 - 03:03 PM

Yup, you just walk right up there with your book, lets see what kind of firepower they got.




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Posted 23 June 2014 - 03:09 PM

Aliens probably use a scale of the inhabited Planet's superstition percentage as a decision for formal contact.

This Planet is still child like as a whole.

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Posted 23 June 2014 - 03:15 PM

I am a Christian and it would not challenge my faith in Christ. If I took all of the parts and gears of a functioning pocket watch and placed them in a paper bag and shook the contents for a billion years, I would never open the bag and find a working pocket watch. The odds of finding a working pocket watch are better than the Earths creation by chance in chaos. I respect all other beliefs but this one is mine. Jesus said, he is not from this world, so by our definition, he is an Alien / ET.

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Posted 23 June 2014 - 04:20 PM

View Postmaximusnow, on 23 June 2014 - 03:15 PM, said:

I am a Christian and it would not challenge my faith in Christ. If I took all of the parts and gears of a functioning pocket watch and placed them in a paper bag and shook the contents for a billion years, I would never open the bag and find a working pocket watch. The odds of finding a working pocket watch are better than the Earths creation by chance in chaos. I respect all other beliefs but this one is mine. Jesus said, he is not from this world, so by our definition, he is an Alien / ET.

Amen Brother!

Why Atheists think they would get a working Pocket Watch is beyond knowing except that God sent his strong delusion on them for being unGodly.

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Posted 23 June 2014 - 04:45 PM

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Theologian Robin Lovin doesn't believe that discovering alien life would cause a 'crisis of faith'.



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It wouldn't for most of us, even the fundamentalist Christians out there, if put in the correct context.

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