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Atheism a 'Mental Illness'


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#1    Leonardo

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Posted 25 June 2014 - 10:10 AM

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Nigeria atheist Bala 'deemed mentally ill in Kano state'


A Nigerian man has been sent to a mental institute in Kano state after he declared that he did not believe in God, according to a humanist charity.

Mubarak Bala, 29, is said to have been forcibly medicated by his Muslim relatives, despite being given a clean bill of health by a doctor.

The International Humanist and Ethical Union say a Lagos-based group has asked a lawyer to take up his case.

Kano is a mainly Muslim state and adopted Sharia (Islamic law) in 2000.

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Quite a few theists make posts pointing out the discrimination and persecution of theists by non-theists, so I wanted to redress the balance a little.

Is not believing in something that cannot be seen, touched, tasted, smelled or heard - cannot be detected, observed or measured in any way - a sign of mental illness?

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Posted 25 June 2014 - 10:13 AM

Any excuse.

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Posted 25 June 2014 - 10:14 AM

View PostLeonardo, on 25 June 2014 - 10:10 AM, said:

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Quite a few theists make posts pointing out the discrimination and persecution of theists by non-theists, so I wanted to redress the balance a little.

Is not believing in something that cannot be seen, touched, tasted, smelled or heard - cannot be detected, observed or measured in any way - a sign of mental illness?

NO! It is a sign of using a of logic when dealing with the topic.

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Posted 25 June 2014 - 10:16 AM

Not talking to imaginary friends is a mental illness.. who knew?

Sharia law is the problem, theocracies rarely play nice with non-believers.

Edited by Rlyeh, 25 June 2014 - 10:23 AM.


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Posted 25 June 2014 - 10:21 AM

View PostRlyeh, on 25 June 2014 - 10:16 AM, said:

Not talking to imaginary friends is a mental illness.. who knew?
Yeah go figure, seems like following rules that were written by a mere moral and passed off as the laws of an almighty entity isn't as crazy as not believing in it.

I tried to make this as non offensive as I could.

Edited by IBelieveWhatIWant, 25 June 2014 - 10:22 AM.


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Posted 25 June 2014 - 10:33 AM

I reckon we are all looking for something or someone to worship and adore.  Gods, the stars, money, another person... it seems like a human need.


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Posted 25 June 2014 - 10:34 AM

This Man is sick!

Quick!

Show him a Tree, a pretty Sunset, put a Mirror to his Face, and then show him the verse that says God did it.

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Posted 25 June 2014 - 10:38 AM

View PostEldorado, on 25 June 2014 - 10:33 AM, said:

I reckon we are all looking for something or someone to worship and adore.  Gods, the stars, money, another person... it seems like a human need.

Man is looking for that unexpected squirt of Appple Juice.

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Posted 25 June 2014 - 10:40 AM

View PostRlyeh, on 25 June 2014 - 10:16 AM, said:

Not talking to imaginary friends is a mental illness.. who knew?

Mental illness becomes more likely when that imaginary friend answers!

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Posted 25 June 2014 - 10:46 AM

View PostEldorado, on 25 June 2014 - 10:33 AM, said:

I reckon we are all looking for something or someone to worship and adore.  Gods, the stars, money, another person... it seems like a human need.
Not necessarily, personally I don't adore or worship to anyone human or otherwise. Sure there are people I take influence from to learn to better myself but I wouldn't consider that "worshiping" or "adoring". It's just the majority of the population that seem to need reassurance that life on Earth isn't all for nothing.


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Posted 25 June 2014 - 10:55 AM

View PostLeonardo, on 25 June 2014 - 10:10 AM, said:

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Quite a few theists make posts pointing out the discrimination and persecution of theists by non-theists, so I wanted to redress the balance a little.

Is not believing in something that cannot be seen, touched, tasted, smelled or heard - cannot be detected, observed or measured in any way - a sign of mental illness?
It is, clinically, such an abnormal condition in humans, and goes so much  against evolved human thought processes, that it might be considered so. I disagree but it is easy to see why this position is held.

Belief has nothing to do with knowledge or evidence .It is about a thought process which operates to give us meaning and understanding of things which are unknown and presently unknowable.Thus the lack of evidence for god means nothing when it comes to belief. There are so many factors in our minds operation from childbirth, and in our environment which almost "compel" us to believe in gods, that when a person does not, others think,"Well what is wrong with their mind?" There are also compelling sociological and anthropological evidences that society and community  is so dependent on the sort of social trust and cohesion which operates within a group of believers, that when an individual says "I do not believe," it immediately puts them outside the group, and hence outside their mutual  "protection" of those within the group.
Exaggeration always help me look at such issues Suppose one million people belived in god and one man said, "I do not" How would al the rest think about him and treat him? Is it not very likely that the would be considered somehow mentally deficient, if not mentally unwell.

Anyone who defies the majority in any way always runs the risk of such labelling. Where they defy them in something as important /fundamental as the belief which defines their world view then there are two choices Either they are crazy or you are. Now who is gonna admit that they are ?

Edited by Mr Walker, 25 June 2014 - 11:01 AM.

You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world..

Be cheerful.

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Posted 25 June 2014 - 11:00 AM

View PostMr Walker, on 25 June 2014 - 10:55 AM, said:

It is, clinically, such an abnormal condition in humans, and goes so much  against evolved human thought processes, that it might be considered so. I disagree but it is easy to see why this position is held.

Belief has nothing to do with knowledge or evidence .It is about a thought process which operates to give us meaning and understanding of things which are unknown and presently unknowable.Thus the lack of evidence for god means nothing when it comes to belief. There are so many factors in our minds operation from childbirth, and in our environment which almost "compel" us to believe in gods, that when a person does not, others think,"Well what is wrong with their mind?" There are also compelling sociological and anthropological evidences that society and community  is so dependent on the sort of social trust and cohesion which operates within a group of believers, that when an individual says "I do not believe," it immediately puts them outside the group, and hence outside their mutual  "protection" of those within the group.
The reason it might be thought of as weird is because for thousands of years we have been told that there is an almighty creator. It isn't due to how our brain works from childbirth, it's due to the mass "brain washing" (best word for it) that tell us that something must have created us and there fore have a plan for us. Basically it's just a way to control and condition people.


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Posted 25 June 2014 - 11:03 AM

View PostMr Walker, on 25 June 2014 - 10:55 AM, said:

It is, clinically, such an abnormal condition in humans, and goes so much  against evolved human thought processes, that it might be considered so. I disagree but it is easy to see why this position is held.

Belief has nothing to do with knowledge or evidence .It is about a thought process which operates to give us meaning and understanding of things which are unknown and presently unknowable.Thus the lack of evidence for god means nothing when it comes to belief. There are so many factors in our minds operation from childbirth, and in our environment which almost "compel" us to believe in gods, that when a person does not, others think,"Well what is wrong with their mind?" There are also compelling sociological and anthropological evidences that society and community  is so dependent on the sort of social trust and cohesion which operates within a group of believers, that when an individual says "I do not believe," it immediately puts them outside the group, and hence outside their mutual  "protection" of those within the group.
Exaggeration always help me look at such issues Suppose one million people belived in god and one man said, "I do not" How would al the rest think about him and treat him? Is it not very likely that the would be considered somehow mentally deficient, if not mentally unwell.

Anyone who defies the majority in any way always runs the risk of such labelling. Where they defy them in something as important /fundamental as the belief which defines their world view then there are two choices Either they are crazy or you are. Now who is gonna admit that they are ?

So, your argument is that anyone who holds different beliefs than others can rightly be considered "mentally ill"?

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Posted 25 June 2014 - 11:05 AM

View PostEldorado, on 25 June 2014 - 10:33 AM, said:

I reckon we are all looking for something or someone to worship and adore.  Gods, the stars, money, another person... it seems like a human need.

I don't want to worship or adore anything, never have, even when I was a Christian.

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Posted 25 June 2014 - 11:10 AM

View PostEldorado, on 25 June 2014 - 10:33 AM, said:

I reckon we are all looking for something or someone to worship and adore.  Gods, the stars, money, another person... it seems like a human need.

You're probably right - although I wouldn't necessarily use the words "worship" or "adore". I think it is psychologically beneficial to hold to some belief in something "greater than ourselves" (as in, our individual selves) but this something might be an abstract human value such as 'justice', 'equality', etc.

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"It is a profound and necessary truth that the deep things in science are not found because they are useful; they are found because it was possible to find them."  - J. Robert Oppenheimer; Scientific Director; The Manhattan Project

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