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#1    questionmark

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Posted 25 June 2014 - 07:31 PM

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Imagine this: two defendants, same age, smoke a joint with some friends one July evening in their respective apartments. Neither has a criminal record. Both get caught; one faces an extra two years in jail.

Why? Because he shared drugs within a certain number of feet from a school that’s been out for a month.

The so-called ‘Drug Free School Zone’ is one of many laws that create extra penalties for already illegal acts with no reasonable tie to the public’s safety or the defendant’s particular circumstances.

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Posted 25 June 2014 - 07:33 PM

The stupidest criminal laws of all are Reagan's "Mandatory Minimums".



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Posted 25 June 2014 - 07:57 PM

View PostYamato, on 25 June 2014 - 07:33 PM, said:

The stupidest criminal laws of all are Reagan's "Mandatory Minimums".


These laws are responsible for needless deaths by people who realize they have nothing more to lose.  In my community this spring there was a clerk at a convenience store who was killed driving home by a repeat DUI offender who KNEW he was going to jail for a VERY long time if he pulled over for the cops...so he chose to run.

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Posted 25 June 2014 - 08:12 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 25 June 2014 - 07:31 PM, said:

I've got no sympathy for drug users ,serves them right.

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Posted 25 June 2014 - 08:37 PM

lol, drug free school zones my a s s. drugs are sold in schools, in abandance. who are they kidding i wonder

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Posted 25 June 2014 - 08:46 PM

Yup been going on since at LEAST the 70's - not that I'd know personally *cough*  :w00t:

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Posted 25 June 2014 - 08:56 PM

Similar to the school zone law, I once worked in an office with a nice, young, part time kid of 18.  He sold or gave a joint to a friend of his who was 17.  His charges included "corruption of a minor" due to the few months difference in age between them.  He was sentenced to 5 years in a maximum security prison.  One life ruined, likely one hardened criminal created.  I have never understood how there can be laws against a natural growing plant that requires no processing, no manufacture.  Imagine if they suddenly decided to make broccoli illegal because someone with the power didn't like it.  Which brings me to another complaint/mystery.  Why is it the business of the government to be concerned with how we feel or how we get there?  If I want to get a thrill from bungee jumping that's ok.  If I want to drink whiskey or smoke tobacco, that's ok too.  If I prefer to relax with marijuana suddenly I'm a criminal.  These laws are even more stupid considering we have the example of the disaster caused by Prohibition yet our lawmakers somehow consider this to be different.  All of the bad things associated with marijuana are due to the laws against it and not any effect of the substance itself.


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Posted 25 June 2014 - 09:03 PM

View Postspud the mackem, on 25 June 2014 - 08:12 PM, said:

I've got no sympathy for drug users ,serves them right.



I used to know a guy that said things like that. Usually this was after he had knocked back a couple of vicodin with a water glass of Gentleman Jack. He sort of changed his thoughts when his boy was arrested for possession of marijuana. If pot is going to be illegal then tobacco, booze and caffeine need to be outlawed too.

Alcohol is a hundred times worse for your body and behavior than Marijuana! Pot isn't even an addictive substance. Most idiots think it is because they can't understand the difference between an addiction and a habit. An addiction is a physical dependency that GROWS over time. A habit is totally a mental thing. NO DTs if you stop pot. No constantly increasing need to feed your addiction. A pot head gets to the point that they can go to a concert and get a CONTACT High from just breathing the smoke in the room. It would be like if an alcoholic drank less and less the more addicted he became instead of the other way around.

We need to treat addiction as an illness not a crime. Castrate or kill people that sell drugs to kids and GIVE the drugs to addicts until they can receive treatment to get off the drugs. I've NEVER known anyone that wanted to be an addict!!That would really mess up the profit in hooking kids and put the pushers into something else. That won't ever happen though. The drug cartels push hundreds of millions of dollars into to pockets of politicians to make SURE it doesn't happen.

We won't WIN the war on drugs until we stop fighting it with stupid laws that the drug cartels are backing. You don't win wars when the enemy is running your army. Basically the police are little more than the enforcement agency for the drug sellers. When you hear about a big bust on a highway where they find a large amount of drugs on a "random" traffic stop. That is most likely one drug lord using the cops to mess with his competition.


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Posted 26 June 2014 - 01:21 AM

View Postspud the mackem, on 25 June 2014 - 08:12 PM, said:

I've got no sympathy for drug users ,serves them right.

Does this include nicotine, caffeine, alcohol, viagra, ibuprofen, etc.?


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Posted 26 June 2014 - 03:27 PM

View Postspud the mackem, on 25 June 2014 - 08:12 PM, said:

I've got no sympathy for drug users ,serves them right.

Disregarding for a moment the legal status of the substance, how many drugs do you use?

I'm guessing at least caffeine, probably more.


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Posted 26 June 2014 - 03:38 PM

I'm not sure I would call these laws stupid. Ill considered perhaps. Sometimes ill applied. It would be nice for there to be some better sensibility in sentencing. Sometimes well meaning is not the same as well thought out.

Your ad hominem connotes your sciolism. Now that is some funny commentary.

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Posted 26 June 2014 - 03:55 PM

View Postrashore, on 26 June 2014 - 03:38 PM, said:

I'm not sure I would call these laws stupid. Ill considered perhaps. Sometimes ill applied. It would be nice for there to be some better sensibility in sentencing. Sometimes well meaning is not the same as well thought out.

Maybe it is time that we go back to a very unique character the US legal system had until the early 1800s, a jury did not only decide whether somebody was guilty but could also throw out a law.

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Posted 26 June 2014 - 04:24 PM

View PostBig Jim, on 25 June 2014 - 08:56 PM, said:

Similar to the school zone law, I once worked in an office with a nice, young, part time kid of 18.  He sold or gave a joint to a friend of his who was 17.  His charges included "corruption of a minor" due to the few months difference in age between them.  He was sentenced to 5 years in a maximum security prison.  One life ruined, likely one hardened criminal created.  I have never understood how there can be laws against a natural growing plant that requires no processing, no manufacture.  Imagine if they suddenly decided to make broccoli illegal because someone with the power didn't like it.  Which brings me to another complaint/mystery.  Why is it the business of the government to be concerned with how we feel or how we get there?  If I want to get a thrill from bungee jumping that's ok.  If I want to drink whiskey or smoke tobacco, that's ok too.  If I prefer to relax with marijuana suddenly I'm a criminal.  These laws are even more stupid considering we have the example of the disaster caused by Prohibition yet our lawmakers somehow consider this to be different.  All of the bad things associated with marijuana are due to the laws against it and not any effect of the substance itself.
  Wrong I spent 30 yrs hunting drugs and users and believe me mate some of the side effects are pretty grim, but take no notice of me ,just find out for yourself.

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Posted 26 June 2014 - 04:59 PM

Let me tell you a tale about how laws get made in America. The facts are true. If you wish you can research it yourself.

Why is marijuana illegal? Is it because it is a dangerous drug, a demon plant, a society disrupting chemical? No, sadly it was made illegal because of a rich mans greed.

William Randolph Hearst was a monster. He used his wealth and printing empire to basically start the Spanish American War. It improved newspaper sales for him evidently. Anyway, He didn't like paying a profit to anyone else so since he owned a lot of newpapers he got into the paper making business. Then to supply his paper moills he bought HUGE tracts of forrest all over the Pacific Northwest. His paper making busness got so big he almost controlled the market and price. His only real competition came from the hemp farmers and paper made from hemp.

The constitution of the USA is written on paper made from a hemp plant. Hemp is a cannabis plant! Hearst got rid of his competition by simply buying a few politicians and then having them pass laws that made Marijuana illegal. Now, Marijuana and hemp are both in the same plant familly but they are not the same plant really. Hemp is tall stalky and very low in THC, the active chemicals that are psychoactive. Marijuana is shorter leafier and in some cases very high in THC. Hemp was and is still one of the most useful plants that man ever domesticated. Oils, Animal feed, rope, cloth, paper and all manner of medical uses...all this was thrown out the door because when the law was written it banned the entire plant family, not just the pot branch.

Some of the most poisonous plants known are members of the Nightshade family. These things can KILL you with either their fruit OR foliage! Let's make it illegal! That sounds OK right? WRONG potatoes, tomatoes and peppers are ALL members of the night shade family.

This is how Marijuana got made illegal. It was in the same family of plants as the hemp that Hearst wanted banned. He did it with lies and money and political influence. STUPID law!!!!

Edited by TexDanm, 26 June 2014 - 05:05 PM.





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