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#1    JJ50

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Posted 26 June 2014 - 01:22 PM

When I read the Bible in its entirety instead of picking out chapters and verses here and there, I realised that it read like a very human production. Every time I read the book it convinces me that my disbelief in the deity, featured therein, is justified.

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Posted 26 June 2014 - 01:58 PM

You forgot the final step.When finished you have to ask God if it's true.

I forgot that step too because it's obvious by just reading it.

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Posted 26 June 2014 - 02:11 PM

View PostJJ50, on 26 June 2014 - 01:22 PM, said:

When I read the Bible in its entirety instead of picking out chapters and verses here and there, I realised that it read like a very human production. Every time I read the book it convinces me that my disbelief in the deity, featured therein, is justified.
Oh, it's you.  Big shock.  Regardless of the bible being entirely fiction, partly fiction, or entirely true, that does not mean there is no God, no creator, no willful sentient force.  
Let's say that the bible is 100% untrue.  How does that disprove the existence of God?


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Posted 26 June 2014 - 02:14 PM

The Bible was a major factor in my move to agnosticism.  After careful study, I realized that most (maybe all) of its "miracles" have very rational explanations and are not miracles at all.   If there are no miracles, then there is no way for a god to perform them.  And without the ability to perform miracles, any entity is not a god.  Especially, that all-important miracle distinguishing men from gods:  men die; gods don't.  Without miracles, gods must die, too.  And that means they are not gods.
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Posted 26 June 2014 - 02:16 PM

View PostOverSword, on 26 June 2014 - 02:11 PM, said:

Oh, it's you.  Big shock.  Regardless of the bible being entirely fiction, partly fiction, or entirely true, that does not mean there is no God, no creator, no willful sentient force.  
Let's say that the bible is 100% untrue.  How does that disprove the existence of God?
Um.. because the god of the Bible depicted in the Bible, so logically if the Bible is completely untrue so is the main character within.


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Posted 26 June 2014 - 02:31 PM

Atheism is not a statement that there is no Gods, or God, but that there is no evidence for any.

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Posted 26 June 2014 - 02:46 PM

View PostJJ50, on 26 June 2014 - 01:22 PM, said:

When I read the Bible in its entirety instead of picking out chapters and verses here and there, I realised that it read like a very human production. Every time I read the book it convinces me that my disbelief in the deity, featured therein, is justified.

I'm in the same boat.  It convinced me that I don't believe in a tangible anthropomorphic deity and that the OT is in many ways like myths of many other cultures, older, newer, and on different continents.

I don't disbelieve in some greater entity but I doubt it would be very aware of us.

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Posted 26 June 2014 - 02:46 PM

Thanks for sharing your views.  I'd just like to share mine and say that the Bible influenced my decision to believe.  The story of Jesus made great sense to me and the years since my conversion have been great (not always, naturally, ups and downs of life and all that jazz, but for the most part).

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Posted 26 June 2014 - 02:52 PM

I tried to read the bible, but I must confess that I never managed to finish it. To me it is mostly a long list of names and rules.
It is surely the most boring book I have ever read, so respect to the people who have actually managed to read it all.

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Posted 26 June 2014 - 02:57 PM

View PostOverSword, on 26 June 2014 - 02:11 PM, said:

Oh, it's you.  Big shock.  Regardless of the bible being entirely fiction, partly fiction, or entirely true, that does not mean there is no God, no creator, no willful sentient force.  
Let's say that the bible is 100% untrue.  How does that disprove the existence of God?

It is just possible a higher intelligence of some sort set the universe in motion, I would be a fool if I denied it was just possible. However until there is evidence to back up such a supposition, which there isn't, I remain in a state of disbelief.

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Posted 26 June 2014 - 03:11 PM

View PostJJ50, on 26 June 2014 - 02:57 PM, said:

It is just possible a higher intelligence of some sort set the universe in motion, I would be a fool if I denied it was just possible. However until there is evidence to back up such a supposition, which there isn't, I remain in a state of disbelief.
Fair enough.  I always keep in mind that Einstein believed in intelligent design.  By all accounts he was probably a bit smarter than I am.


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Posted 26 June 2014 - 03:41 PM

View PostOverSword, on 26 June 2014 - 03:11 PM, said:

Fair enough.  I always keep in mind that Einstein believed in intelligent design.  By all accounts he was probably a bit smarter than I am.

Religious apologists cannot entirely be blamed for claiming Albert Einstein as one of their own. He was fond of quoting "God" as a poetic metaphor, in rather irresponsible fashion although, to be fair in turn to Einstein, he couldn't have anticipated the extent of today's dishonest quote-mining. So it is good to see this letter, written shortly before his death, which should lay to rest, once and for all, the eager myth that Einstein believed in God. Along with various other sources, this letter finally confirms that Einstein was, in every realistic sense of the word, an atheist. When the letter came up for auction in London, in 2008, I made a futile attempt to buy it as a gift for the Richard Dawkins Foundation. I could offer only a small fraction of the eventual price, and even that was far less than the $3M now being asked as a minimum. I hope that whoever wins this auction will display it prominently, complete with translations into English and other languages.

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Posted 26 June 2014 - 03:56 PM

View PostOverSword, on 26 June 2014 - 03:11 PM, said:

Fair enough.  I always keep in mind that Einstein believed in intelligent design.  By all accounts he was probably a bit smarter than I am.

Just because Einstein thought it possible it doesn't mean an intelligent designer exists. The most intelligent person in the world cannot prove such exists.

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Posted 26 June 2014 - 09:13 PM

View PostOverSword, on 26 June 2014 - 03:11 PM, said:

Fair enough.  I always keep in mind that Einstein believed in intelligent design.  By all accounts he was probably a bit smarter than I am.

Pity that Einstein can't provide any more evidence of it than anyone else  Do you also keep in mind all the people a bit smarter than you who don't believe in God at all?

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Posted 26 June 2014 - 09:50 PM

I often think of the Bible's influence on people's suffering.

It's a historical fact that passages like Leviticus 25:39-46 was used as divine support for slavery in the South up to the Civil War.

https://new.biblegat...iticus 25:39-46

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Edited by davros of skaro, 26 June 2014 - 09:50 PM.

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