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The Return of the Caliphate ?


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#1    RoofGardener

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Posted 01 July 2014 - 08:11 AM

I'm not sure what to make of this. Apparently, ISIS have declared that the territory under their control is now a new, sovereign nation, configured as an Islamic Caliphacy.

They have named a new Caliphate, who I gather is a sort of Islamic King ? He is Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, though he is to be known as "Caliph Ibrahim"

I was under the impression that a Caliph was the ruler of "all muslims" ... not sure what Saudi is going to make of THAT... to say nothing of Pakistan, Indonesia etc.

There is a BBC article on this story ... http://www.bbc.co.uk...e-east-28082962

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Posted 01 July 2014 - 08:15 AM

View PostRoofGardener, on 01 July 2014 - 08:11 AM, said:

They have named a new Caliphate, who I gather is a sort of Islamic King ? He is Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, though he is to be known as "Caliph Ibrahim"

They should call him Big Dadi.


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Posted 01 July 2014 - 08:43 AM

Well, all terrorists always presume that they're speaking for the Masses, don't they, they always appoint themselves as the leaders of the Global Revolution or as representing the People, and it's just typical grandioseness. The Western media does seem to be doing all they can to give them credibility, and you might almost think that their grandiose declarations are now officially law from the way that the Media are reporting it.

If, as it seems, we are in the process of becoming a totalitarian society in which the state apparatus is all-powerful, the ethics most important for the survival of the true, free, human individual would be: cheat, lie, evade, fake it, be elsewhere, forge documents, build improved electronic gadgets in your garage that’ll outwit the gadgets used by the authorities.

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Posted 01 July 2014 - 09:01 AM

View PostEldorado, on 01 July 2014 - 08:15 AM, said:

They should call him Big Dadi.
I would advise him to stay off the highways -- drones.


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Posted 01 July 2014 - 09:21 AM

The time of the Caliph has come, ohh yes it's the Caliph-Hour.

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Posted 01 July 2014 - 09:28 AM

The Admiral (Rhubarb) has the right word -- grandioseness.  Calling oneself a Caliph is like Mussolini comparing himself to the Dukes of Florence or to the Roman Emperor.


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Posted 01 July 2014 - 12:45 PM

I agree with Pat Buchanan here


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Posted 01 July 2014 - 01:23 PM

Hopefully this guys will be stopped as soon as possible. Their plan for new 'county' is nothing more then a plan to start next world war.

Picture of their desired territory, its both scary and funny at same time :

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Posted 01 July 2014 - 01:38 PM

View PostSir Smoke aLot, on 01 July 2014 - 01:23 PM, said:

Hopefully this guys will be stopped as soon as possible. Their plan for new 'county' is nothing more then a plan to start next world war.

Picture of their desired territory, its both scary and funny at same time :

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Picture from mirror.co.uk but same can be found all over internet since yesterday i think. Map like this can be made only in sick mind.
If they strike at Jordan in earnest (I doubt it) they would be met at least partially by the IDF.  If the IDF begins routing them on the battlefield - which WOULD happen - then we'd have Arab Muslims being "slaughtered" by Jews and all hell would break loose in the region.  If there is anything that would unite these two factions, even temporarily, it would be hatred of Israel.  It has the ingredients of a much wider war all right.

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Posted 01 July 2014 - 01:49 PM

View PostSir Smoke aLot, on 01 July 2014 - 01:23 PM, said:

Hopefully this guys will be stopped as soon as possible. Their plan for new 'county' is nothing more then a plan to start next world war.

Picture of their desired territory, its both scary and funny at same time :

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Picture from mirror.co.uk but same can be found all over internet since yesterday i think. Map like this can be made only in sick mind.

They definitely see themseves as a Saladin like conqueror but fail to realize their idea of Islam differs greatly than his and the world is a much different place than a dark ages Europe.  Obama may be a pushover but I don't think Putin will take kindly to them occupying present day Russia and the IDf, as you said, isn't the Iraqi army.

Edited by Merc14, 01 July 2014 - 01:51 PM.

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Posted 01 July 2014 - 01:51 PM

So, who is the intended audience? Whom is the new caliphate meant to impress?  Is there fertile enough ground around "the world" to be encouraged by this grandiosity? Or is it an unrealistic pipe dream of some marginal fanatics?

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Posted 01 July 2014 - 01:52 PM

View PostDeWitz, on 01 July 2014 - 01:51 PM, said:

So, who is the intended audience? Whom is the new caliphate meant to impress?  Is there fertile enough ground around "the world" to be encouraged by this grandiosity? Or is it an unrealistic pipe dream of some marginal fanatics?

I vote for the last one.

Edited by Merc14, 01 July 2014 - 01:52 PM.

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Posted 01 July 2014 - 02:08 PM

View PostDeWitz, on 01 July 2014 - 01:51 PM, said:

So, who is the intended audience? Whom is the new caliphate meant to impress?  Is there fertile enough ground around "the world" to be encouraged by this grandiosity? Or is it an unrealistic pipe dream of some marginal fanatics?
Thanks for showing me "grandiosity" without correcting me.


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Posted 01 July 2014 - 02:19 PM

View Postand then, on 01 July 2014 - 01:38 PM, said:

If they strike at Jordan in earnest (I doubt it) they would be met at least partially by the IDF.  If the IDF begins routing them on the battlefield - which WOULD happen - then we'd have Arab Muslims being "slaughtered" by Jews and all hell would break loose in the region.  If there is anything that would unite these two factions, even temporarily, it would be hatred of Israel.  It has the ingredients of a much wider war all right.

Yeah, i highly doubt it too because Jordan is one of US allies as i know it, that be reason #1. They just can't fight such battle. But if IDF would stand up for Jordan in such scenario then IDF would be doing just and good thing - stopping terrorists advance and preventing them to occupy even more land. I can't see why would any normal man or government turn on Israel, if things would play out in that way.

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Posted 01 July 2014 - 02:24 PM

View PostDeWitz, on 01 July 2014 - 01:51 PM, said:

So, who is the intended audience? Whom is the new caliphate meant to impress?  Is there fertile enough ground around "the world" to be encouraged by this grandiosity? Or is it an unrealistic pipe dream of some marginal fanatics?
Even if they only draw 1% of the world's Muslim population to their cause, it would be enough to conquer that map.  And they could probably do a little better than that 1%.

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