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Rome will be conquered next, says 'Caliph'


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Posted 02 July 2014 - 01:11 PM

The Telegraph said:



Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the self-proclaimed leader of the 'Islamic State' stretching across Iraq and Syria, has vowed to lead the conquest of Rome as he called on Muslims to immigrate to his new land to fight under its banner around the globe.


Baghdadi, who holds a PhD in Islamic studies, said Muslims were being targetted and killed from China to Indonesia. Speaking as the first Caliph, or commander of the Islamic faithful since the dissolution of the Ottoman empire, he called on Muslims to rally to his pan-Islamic state.


"Those who can immigrate to the Islamic State should immigrate, as immigration to the house of Islam is a duty," he said in an audio recording released on a website used by the group formerly known as the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham.

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Not a bad idea that the radicals all move to an 'Islamic State'... we could put a fence around it and make sure nothing gets in or out...

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 01:22 PM

I wonder how many are immagrating to this new place? .


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Posted 02 July 2014 - 01:41 PM

Global South cannot defeat the North at this time.

Ever since the French Revolution the upper classes have found economic conquest much more effective and under no circumstances will they allow their own peasants to revolt much less a foreign peasant army.

Wars are simply no longer fought that way. Sadly they seem to be living in the past as do many in the West as well. The Crusades are long past and even if they tried to take Rome as a marching force they will be halted before even crossing the Balkans by the Serbs.

If anyone is going to conquer Rome it is a German-led EU with their help of their bankers and economists demanding austerity measures.


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Posted 02 July 2014 - 01:52 PM

I was just watching a documentary on the Ayatollah Khomeini.  He started off as such a small player on the scene.  A hostage taking and some strong statements, well timed - Iran was changed completely.

I found the difference between the Iran of the Shah and the new Iran post Khomeini to be really the most frightening aspect of the documentary.  There were over a million screaming followers at his funeral, it was the craziest thing I'd ever seen - for a funeral no less.

I do see some disturbing synergies in the events of the past with what is happening today, minus a solid figure head - but there are specific individuals calling the shots and they are gaining momentum.

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 02:36 PM

View PostlibstaK, on 02 July 2014 - 01:52 PM, said:

I was just watching a documentary on the Ayatollah Khomeini.  He started off as such a small player on the scene.  A hostage taking and some strong statements, well timed - Iran was changed completely.

I found the difference between the Iran of the Shah and the new Iran post Khomeini to be really the most frightening aspect of the documentary.  There were over a million screaming followers at his funeral, it was the craziest thing I'd ever seen - for a funeral no less.

I do see some disturbing synergies in the events of the past with what is happening today, minus a solid figure head - but there are specific individuals calling the shots and they are gaining momentum.

Khomeini just was there and no other alternative when the Shah finally had to declare moral bankruptcy, that is why Iran changed... and the root of that moral bankruptcy was the coup against Mossadegh in 1953... now guess by compliments of who? (ehm, yes, the same whose heirs created the Iraq mess a few decades later).

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 04:10 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 02 July 2014 - 02:36 PM, said:



Khomeini just was there and no other alternative when the Shah finally had to declare moral bankruptcy, that is why Iran changed... and the root of that moral bankruptcy was the coup against Mossadegh in 1953... now guess by compliments of who? (ehm, yes, the same whose heirs created the Iraq mess a few decades later).

Shah of Iran bailed out in 1979 wasn't it? 26 years after the deposing of Mossadech. Sorry, but I take the view that any moral bankruptcy after that elapsed time was his responsibility.


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Posted 02 July 2014 - 04:17 PM

View PostBorder Collie, on 02 July 2014 - 04:10 PM, said:

Shah of Iran bailed out in 1979 wasn't it? 26 years after the deposing of Mossadech. Sorry, but I take the view that any moral bankruptcy after that elapsed time was his responsibility.

If we discount 26 years of dictatorship resulting from the deposition you are completely right.

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 06:11 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 02 July 2014 - 04:17 PM, said:



If we discount 26 years of dictatorship resulting from the deposition you are completely right.

Point well missed.


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Posted 02 July 2014 - 06:46 PM

lol this world is crazy , cant wait untill all religions have bombed eachother. than there is more space on earth, 8 billion peopel is just too much.

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 09:19 PM

So this is what "the caliphate" has descended to.  Sad.


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Posted 02 July 2014 - 09:24 PM

If I were him, I'd be a bit more careful about the use of words such as "conquest". Considering the UN throws a fit over "border strengthening" and "troop exercises".

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Posted 03 July 2014 - 11:02 PM

I noticed their master plan includes all of Spain as well.



They're going to have a hard time conquering the Spanish.  No way in the world are they going to relinquish their jamon without an ultimate fight to the end.

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Posted 04 July 2014 - 03:58 AM

What is scary about this group, and it is not the amount of people they have, is the passion and fanaticism this group has. This group's entire goal is to bring about religious prophecy. They want to bring about the entire of the world. That is their final aim. I remember Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and the "Twelver" group he belonged to. Scary as hell.


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Posted 04 July 2014 - 06:32 AM

View PostThelaw1, on 04 July 2014 - 03:58 AM, said:

What is scary about this group, and it is not the amount of people they have, is the passion and fanaticism this group has. This group's entire goal is to bring about religious prophecy. They want to bring about the entire of the world. That is their final aim. I remember Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and the "Twelver" group he belonged to. Scary as hell.

I believe it's all rhetoric (or wishful thinking) and their threats are just tickles.  Nothing the west can't handle.  I hate wars but I suppose we're living in an era where we can't do without arming ourselves against evil doctrines.  A country has to defend itself and it's allies.
I'm not a great supporter of Israeli policy but I do believe they have a Right to exist.  I'm not sure these Jihadists realise what powerful weaponry the west has at its disposal and I'm not talking about Nukes.  I'm afraid the biggest mistake they could ever make is to try to get into a conventional war by attacking Israel or Spain, Turkey, Greece.  Rome? no chance.

LOL, Logic suggests they would never be able to invade those countries through simple terrorism so it would have to be through conventional warfare. Simply, I would not want to be living in the Middle East if they ever did try such a large scale invasion.

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Posted 04 July 2014 - 06:46 AM

The world is going to have to incur an additional burden of security over and above that created by common criminals, and it ain't going to be cheap.  Rome is an example, just ripe for terrorist events with the populace as relaxed and trusting and happy as it is.  A few incidents and the culture will lose a lot.

I sometimes think the best course would be to go in there, impose an autocratic government, and rigorously clean out the rats.  In the end the cost would be less, and some cultures and not able to handle self government, and efforts to establish it are just naive.





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