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#1    Duelix

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 10:36 PM

If there was some magical way to transport the founding fathers to modern America, what would they say about the current society? Do you think they might possibly regret putting in the right to bear arms in the constitution or that they might think differently about freedom of speech after listening to talk radio for an hour? What are your thoughts?


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Posted 09 July 2014 - 10:40 PM

I think Thomas Jefferson and Benjamen Franklin would be quite disappointed.

Not for the things you say...but for the exact opposite...the overreach of GOV to remove those rights.  I think all of them roll over in their grave quite often.

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That's what I think...but no, they would more than likely be against any infringement on freedoms...especially the things they held valuable coming out of the Revolution and the war of 1812

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 10:41 PM

View PostDuelix, on 09 July 2014 - 10:36 PM, said:

If there was some magical way to transport the founding fathers to modern America, what would they say about the current society? Do you think they might possibly regret putting in the right to bear arms in the constitution or that they might think differently about freedom of speech after listening to talk radio for an hour? What are your thoughts?

I bet they would have put more than an incomplete sentence as the 2nd amendment. We will never know what they actually meant... our current "meaning" was written by the SC.

But I doubt that that would be their hardest item to turn them green. The extensive abuse of the 4th amendment by organizations that seem to escape the control of elected representatives would most probably be much higher on their agenda.

Edited by questionmark, 09 July 2014 - 10:42 PM.

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 10:42 PM

I honestly think they'd be more disappointed by the fact we managed in the space of a single lifetime to go from unable to fly at all to "landing on the moon" and then stopped because "it wasn't economically viable".

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 10:42 PM

View PostJeremiah65, on 09 July 2014 - 10:40 PM, said:

I think Thomas Jefferson and Benjamen Franklin would be quite disappointed.

Not for the things you say...but for the exact opposite...the overreach of GOV to remove those rights.  I think all of them roll over in their grave quite often.

NDAA
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"Patriot" Act (pretty sure they would all say "No true Patriot wrote that!")
Politically correct speech
Our collapsing education system
Our collapsing infrastructure
Corporations as people...

That's what I think...but no, they would more than likely be against any infringement on freedoms...especially the things they held valuable coming out of the Revolution and the war of 1812
I will agree with you on the patriot act and corporations as people.


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Posted 09 July 2014 - 11:01 PM

1st joke; so you guys solved that slavery problem?
2nd joke; you can cure disease and injury and heal impossible wounds but you have priced it out of the reach of the plebs? Excellent.
3rd joke; we fought how many wars WITH the British?!?
4th joke; oh I see that Hanna Montana still has a career, strange.

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 11:06 PM

View PostSir Wearer of Hats, on 09 July 2014 - 10:42 PM, said:

I honestly think they'd be more disappointed by the fact we managed in the space of a single lifetime to go from unable to fly at all to "landing on the moon" and then stopped because "it wasn't economically viable".

It isn't, it's just a waste. Mars I could see, but not the moon. It's be like some government company reapeatedly going to the desert just to look around.

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 11:10 PM

They would look for the nearest musket and shoot who ever brought them to our time.

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 11:45 PM

View PostDuelix, on 09 July 2014 - 10:36 PM, said:

If there was some magical way to transport the founding fathers to modern America, what would they say about the current society? Do you think they might possibly regret putting in the right to bear arms in the constitution or that they might think differently about freedom of speech after listening to talk radio for an hour? What are your thoughts?

I don't think they would regret putting in the right to bear arms.  I do think they would have spent a lot more time clarifying it's exact purpose and spirit, considering how the current specified purpose is all but ignored.  I don't think they would have too much of a problem with talk radio, with the exception of how basic manners have changed over the years.  They would definitely be shocked at seeing a black president.

I don't think any of them would be surprised at the extent of the federal governments power.  That was, after all, an inevitable consequence of the government they created after the original U.S. government failed and they pretty much pulled off a coup d'etat.  The only difference is that the constitution was created with the purpose of defining and controlling the expansion, a purpose which has served quite well.


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Posted 09 July 2014 - 11:46 PM

I would imagine they would be shocked by the rise of Federal power and the diminishing of State authority, how much we project power around the world, and the tremendous increase in the power of the Executive Branch.

As far as technology goes, I would imagine that Jefferson and Franklin at least would be like a couple of geek boys at a tech show.

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 11:55 PM

I think they'd be more surprised that a CATHOLIC was President, rather then a Black Man.

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Posted 10 July 2014 - 12:05 AM

I think the only problem they'd have with the second amendment is that they made it a right to bear and not an absolute mandate. JK, sort of, maybe, not really...

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Posted 10 July 2014 - 03:06 AM

The founding fathers are all dead. What matters is what our current leaders, politicians, and citizens think about it. No can speak for the dead.

Edited by Beany, 10 July 2014 - 03:06 AM.


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Posted 10 July 2014 - 03:27 AM

View PostDuelix, on 09 July 2014 - 10:36 PM, said:

If there was some magical way to transport the founding fathers to modern America, what would they say about the current society?

****, look what we've done!

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Posted 10 July 2014 - 06:06 AM

I don't think they would regret anything they put in the Bill of Rights.  They were extremists, cleaved to the ideals of freedom.  

They would probably be disappointed, but not surprised at the current outcome.





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