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Chimpanzees raised by humans no cleverer

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#1    Still Waters

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Posted 12 July 2014 - 11:07 AM

Chimpanzees raised by humans turn out to be no cleverer than those given an ape upbringing, research has shown.

Genes largely determine a chimp's intelligence, a study has shown - and human intervention makes no difference to it at all.

http://www.telegraph...o-cleverer.html

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Posted 12 July 2014 - 12:51 PM

I would have thought that ths sign language and other communication methods taught to Chimpanzees by humans was only channeling another part of their brain, which in the wild would be used for other communications.

Environmental conditions would define what parts of their brains are used more.

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Posted 12 July 2014 - 01:08 PM

Well, seems we found one end of the Nature vs Nurture spectrum.


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Posted 12 July 2014 - 01:10 PM

View PostStill Waters, on 12 July 2014 - 11:07 AM, said:

Chimpanzees raised by humans turn out to be no cleverer than those given an ape upbringing, research has shown.

Genes largely determine a chimp's intelligence, a study has shown - and human intervention makes no difference to it at all.

http://www.telegraph...o-cleverer.html

Those people here who failed high school might not like the fact that its genetics not environment lol.


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Posted 12 July 2014 - 01:11 PM

View Posttoyomotor, on 12 July 2014 - 12:51 PM, said:

I would have thought that ths sign language and other communication methods taught to Chimpanzees by humans was only channeling another part of their brain, which in the wild would be used for other communications.

Environmental conditions would define what parts of their brains are used more.

Environment can help or prevent an organism live up to its full genetic potential for intelligence but can't increase that potential.

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Edited by RabidMongoose, 12 July 2014 - 01:12 PM.


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Posted 12 July 2014 - 01:51 PM

"Previous studies have suggested that genetics account for around a quarter to a half of variations in human intelligence."

"The new research involving 99 chimpanzees from a wide range of ages showed that genes explained about 50% of the differences seen in their intelligence test scores."

So ... does that mean it's ok again to talk about the genetic influence on human intelligence?


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Posted 12 July 2014 - 05:11 PM

View Postredhen, on 12 July 2014 - 01:51 PM, said:

"Previous studies have suggested that genetics account for around a quarter to a half of variations in human intelligence."

"The new research involving 99 chimpanzees from a wide range of ages showed that genes explained about 50% of the differences seen in their intelligence test scores."

So ... does that mean it's ok again to talk about the genetic influence on human intelligence?

I don't think large parts of our society are ready to accept that truth redhen.

Could you also imagine the up roar if psychologists told everybody the vast majority of criminals have obsessive disorders caused by their genetic makeup?

Some are only willing to see all people as equals.


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Posted 14 July 2014 - 09:09 PM

View PostRabidMongoose, on 12 July 2014 - 05:11 PM, said:



Could you also imagine the up roar if psychologists told everybody the vast majority of criminals have obsessive disorders caused by their genetic makeup?


Oh no!   There would be people suing their parents.


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Posted 14 July 2014 - 09:13 PM

View PostRabidMongoose, on 12 July 2014 - 01:10 PM, said:

Those people here who failed high school might not like the fact that its genetics not environment lol.
or it may give them an excuse they have been looking for.  
Personally I think it is mostly environment.   Very rarely do you see a kid with poor crappy parents doing well in school.   Of course there are exceptions.


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Posted 15 July 2014 - 10:52 AM

View PostMyles, on 14 July 2014 - 09:13 PM, said:

or it may give them an excuse they have been looking for.  
Personally I think it is mostly environment.   Very rarely do you see a kid with poor crappy parents doing well in school.   Of course there are exceptions.

I think everybody has a potential which they can live up too but some parents prevent their children reaching it. Many parents from low socio-economic backgrounds are content to let their children underperform, don't push them to achieve and don't get them interested in learning. The result being another generation of the low socio-economic status which already has more members than it should be.

On the other hand there are people who do have learning problems, behaviour problems and health problems because of their genetics. Problems which they pass onto future generations even if it skips one or two before reappearing. We could use genetic engineering to replace the undersirable genes but I can imagine many hystericals outside the house of the politician that decides to do it.

Heck, the psychologists can tell you at birth who the psycho's are because their genetics cause brain abnormalities in development which can be picked up in a CAT scan. Yet society sits there in ignorance because a large percentage have brought into the notion that we're all equals when we aren't.


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Posted 15 July 2014 - 11:21 AM

Considering this graphic story, I have to wonder about having any contact with these beasts at all:

http://www.nydailyne...ticle-1.1210282

Chimpanzees in the wild have also been known to carry off human babies and basically tear them to pieces.

http://igorilla.com/...man-babies.html


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Posted 15 July 2014 - 03:46 PM

Wild chimps are very dangerous animals as they are 3 to 4 times stronger than humans and they can quite easily kill when alarmed.

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Posted 15 July 2014 - 10:05 PM

Thought this ABC news story was somehow appropriate;

Chimps Attend 'Dawn of the Planet of the Apes' Screening


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Posted 16 July 2014 - 01:40 AM

A relationship between intelligence and genetics seems pretty obvious. Most people rarely develop to their full potentional unless nurtured in an appropriately stimulating envireonment. Male Chimpanzees are violent and aggressive when adults and should never be kept anywhere  but in a secured enclosure. Jane Goodall led a charmed existence among them and was a fugitive from the law of averages. L.S.B. Leakey had a tallent for assigning young assistants to extraordinary tasks. Dian Fossey made the mistake of running afoul of the most dangerous primate of all; man.

Edited by John Wesley Boyd, 16 July 2014 - 01:45 AM.

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