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#1    Simatong

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Posted 13 July 2014 - 12:15 AM

Greetings all,

I am taking a moment (probably going to need much longer, actually lol) to describe in some detail what my opinions are when it comes to some psychokinetic abilities as well as some theories I have concerning them, all based on what I've researched and the 10+ years I have spent testing myself when it comes to psi (though this in no way implies that I believe myself to be endowed with vast kinetic powers; the testing of my abilities, regardless of what I have tested for, has inspired a multitude of theories).

Both believers and skeptics are welcome, but I implore all of you to keep the commentary civil and void of all intransigence; we can agree or disagree with one another without having to be unnecessarily litigious. Also, feel free to comment on my theories and opinions.

Firstly, I am one of those people who believes that psionic abilities of any kind are extraordinarily rare; hyperbolically speaking, one would probably have a better chance winning the jackpot multiple times than they would being born with even a single paranormal ability, especially a psychokinetic one. My conclusions are based on the fact that I have seen some things, however anecdotal, that make it difficult for me to attribute them to mundane phenomena, yet such occurrences have been so rare that it seems implausible that psi abilities exist within the majority or even a significant number of the masses. The lack of credible parapsychological research seems to support this theory (and I honestly think parapsychologists need to find other methods to do their testing with, but that is neither here nor there).


What does this have to do with this post? Since psionic abilities are so extremely rare, it is more than likely that many of these "Jean Grey wannabes", as I call them--those professing extraordinary abilities in questionable and pubescent ways--are pulling techs out of their behind, robbing any serious student-- or "psi philosopher", if you will-- of the chance to actually think about what psi could truly entail. Namely that, shifting back to psychokinetic abilities, that the rules for psychokinesis usually do not defy the laws of physics, but rather operate based on them (though one could also argue their very existence is a defiance of these laws).

To get on with it,  I am going to be focusing on the "elemental" psionic abilities; specifically, atmokinesis, aerokinesis, pyrokinesis, electrokinesis and geokinesis and chronokinesis, discussing what I believe they entail as well as their misconceptions. Actually, I will start with atmokinesis and aerokinesis, going on from there if the post garners any interest.

I believe that the aforementioned abilities are dependent on many factors that include (but are not limited to) circumstance, an understanding of the natural forces, and perhaps most importantly, seasons and location.

Note: You will notice that many of the examples mentioned below seem to be quite vast in their effects; for me, using macro-psychokinetic examples just makes explaining my theories much simpler, as I can just focus on the phenomenon itself rather than technical science and numbers required for micro-psychokinesis.

So here we go:

ATMOKINESIS

Definition: The psionic ability to manipulate atmospheric phenomena; more specifically, the ability to control, conjure, prevent or affect in any meaningful and discernible way such phenomena as storms (i.e. blizzards, thunderstorms, hurricanes, dust storms), temperature (i.e. heat, cold, mugginess), and climate.

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SEASONS: Different atmokinetic desires depend on the seasons; an atmokinetic might be more able to affect, control or conjure a snowstorm/blizzard in the winter and thunderstorms in the spring/summer when the energies needed for said phenomena are readily available, this all depending on the location of the purported atmokinetic. However, as weather is so vast and chaotic, it might be possible to create thunderstorms in the winter and snowstorms in the spring (early spring to be specific), though the further one went into spring, the more difficult it would be, until it would be almost impossible to do in, say, the United States. But for explanation's sake, we will just stick to the spring, summer, fall=thunderstorm-winter=snowstorm dynamic and use the United States as our "base of control" for this and all proceeding explanations.

CIRCUMSTANCE: An atmokinetic is almost completely incapable of causing atmospheric phenomena indoors, as such things as storms need the chaotic environment of the outside world, not the controlled environment found indoors; in other words, the energies necessary for weather do not exist indoors, but rather in external environs. One could manipulate the OUTSIDE weather from the INSIDE, but that is a technicality not focused on in this post.

TIME: Creating weather, be it on one's own or be due solely to Mother Nature's seemingly Almighty Whim, takes time; the larger the disturbance, the more time it takes

MISCONCEPTIONS:
Making rain or storms in one area necessitates robbing atmospheric energy from another place
This seems to be based off of the limits of Storm's (Ororo Munroe's) powers as are found in the comics.
The development of storms is based on such things as humidity, barometric pressure, the interaction of the cold and warm air, and atmospheric moisture. If you've ever taken the time to look at a meteorological map, you've probably noticed that "ripe" conditions for storms can span hundreds of miles, and thus, creating a storm in one area in no way requires one to rob energy for storms in another place; if the conditions are right, you could (using hyperbole here to make a point) create five supercell storms covering ten states and STILL not affect the necessary pluvial energies

AEROKINESIS
Definition: The psionic ability to manipulate, conjure, prevent or otherwise discernibly and meaningfully affect the flow of air

Major dependencies
LOCATION: Some areas of the world experience winds differently than others (e.g. some winds are stronger in certain regions, some regions allow for dust storms, etc.). How one's aerokinesis manifests might depend on where they are; for example: an aerokinetic living in Arizona might be have the ability to manipulate dust storms and sand devils due to their location, whereas someone in the Midwest, given it's location and geography, would not be able to do so, (unless they moved to a place where dust storms are common)

CIRCUMSTANCE: If an aerokinetic were asked to create a breeze right then and there, they more than likely could~~most aerokinetics would probably be able to muster up SOME wind. However, if you were to ask a true aerokinetic to make a large gust of wind right then and there, they might raise an eyebrow or glare. Why? Well, as implied by this section's name, it would depend on the circumstance; if there was already a call for gusty conditions, then they could probably do it. Now, before some start saying things like, "If it is predicted to be a gusty day, then they could claim to have manipulated any gust that occurs", let me make a few things clear:

1) If there are constant gusts minute after minute after minute, it is probably unwise to attempt to do anything, specifically based on the premise of the above-mentioned posited objection; how could one tell if they are the cause of something with so much going on. One should wait for a time when gusts are rather calm, THEN have the aerokinetic attempt a feat
2) If a person claiming aerokinetic abilities can desire to have the wind blow, with wind seemingly and consistently responding to their attempts within about 5-10 seconds of making said attempts, I would dare say that something other than chance might be going on.

TIME: Just like with atmokinesis, if someone professing aerokinetic abilities wanted to create a windstorm, microburst, or attempt any other large-scale, wind-based feat, they would probably need some time, focusing their energies on, say, a specific time or day to make such things happen.

Well, I am done for now...this post is already long enough as it is, and don't want to numb everyone's mind (though that may already be too late lol). Anyway, eagerly waiting to read what some of you might have to say.


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Posted 13 July 2014 - 12:27 AM

I have yet to me moved by anyone claiming to have Telekinetic abilities :whistle:

Edited by Sir Wearer of Hats, 13 July 2014 - 12:28 AM.

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Posted 13 July 2014 - 12:55 AM

View PostSir Wearer of Hats, on 13 July 2014 - 12:27 AM, said:

I have yet to me moved by anyone claiming to have Telekinetic abilities :whistle:
Hahahaha! Good one!!! 10 points!
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Posted 13 July 2014 - 02:13 AM

Awesome post! Enjoyed reading it :)
I believe in abilities, I think that possibly with atmokinesis you might be reaching a little high. Creating storms (specifically lightning storms) wouldn't one also need to have a little electrokinesis as well? Because of the electricity? But mainly, it would be significantly harder to create storms and hurricanes and such, than it would be to call rain or snow, but it's still a part of the same ability.

Maybe you mentioned but I missed it, but do you believe people could have these abilities?
It's quite a fascinating topic, and know my fair share :)


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Posted 13 July 2014 - 10:19 PM

View PostNighthawk9653, on 13 July 2014 - 02:13 AM, said:

Awesome post! Enjoyed reading it :)
I believe in abilities, I think that possibly with atmokinesis you might be reaching a little high. Creating storms (specifically lightning storms) wouldn't one also need to have a little electrokinesis as well? Because of the electricity? But mainly, it would be significantly harder to create storms and hurricanes and such, than it would be to call rain or snow, but it's still a part of the same ability.

Maybe you mentioned but I missed it, but do you believe people could have these abilities?
It's quite a fascinating topic, and know my fair share :)

One would not necessarily need electrokinesis, since not all storms require lightning to be classified as such. Also, since snow and rain are actually the products of storms, the difficulty or easiness of creating them would probably be about the same for the atmokinetic. As for the creation of hurricanes, creating something so vast and so powerful would take an extremely advanced level of ability and control and/or much experience.

As per your question about my beliefs, yes, I do believe that people with atmokinetic abilities exist, but are EXTREMELY rare; to be honest with you, I wouldn't be surprised if you could fit every last genuine atmokinetic/aerokinetic on Earth in a medium-sized conference room.

To add to this, I also believe that the more advanced the feat, the less likely one is to find an atmokinetic who can achieve said feat; a small storm over an entire city with light rain and some lightning, sure. A person able to control weather over hundreds of miles, causing torrential rains, tornadic energy, and tons of dangerous lightning~~~that would probably be the rarest of the rare.

Edited by Simatong, 13 July 2014 - 10:22 PM.


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Posted 18 July 2014 - 03:53 PM

Psychokinesis is caused by the astral body. As the bond between matter and spirit have astral affects both.
So, who wants to work psychokinesis must first be able to do astral traveling.
For  beginners. During a sleep the astral body go out spontaneously.


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Posted 18 July 2014 - 10:06 PM

View PostLumpino, on 18 July 2014 - 03:53 PM, said:

Psychokinesis is caused by the astral body. As the bond between matter and spirit have astral affects both.
So, who wants to work psychokinesis must first be able to do astral traveling.
For  beginners. During a sleep the astral body go out spontaneously.
Thank you for your opinion and for taking part in this thread.
I honestly believe that psychic abilities at their core come from essences that are at least partly psychical/supernatural in nature; in other words, those possessing psionic abilities are endowed with such abilities because it is hardwired into their spiritual DNA, meaning that psychic abilities are a part of their very being, just like I believe most (if not all mundane abilities are).


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Posted 20 July 2014 - 01:40 AM

Actually, I will be continuing on with the discussion since
1) I am kind of bored, and
2) I find this interesting to talk about

The next ability I want to focus on now is Chronokinesis, since this seems to be one of the most misunderstood and poorly explained abilities, in my honest opinion.

CHRONOKINESIS

Definition: The psionic ability to affect future time; that is, the ability to affect when something is going to happen at some future time.
For example, a chronokinetic might make it so that event B happens, say, five minutes after event A. Say, the chronokinetic says a gust of wind will occur right when a city bus pulls up, or that a thunderstorm warning will occur right when a certain line on a television show is being said. Weird examples, I know, but the point is that chronokinesis would allow for a person to manipulate when something would happen, which leads me to the misconception of chronokinesis.

Misconceptions: That Chronokinesis is the ability to alter one's perception of time.
This, in my honest opinion, is a cop-out; it is far easier for one without true chronokinetic abilities to say that they can manipulate their perception rather than time itself, because time, at least in some ways, can be seen as relative. However, one's perception of time is due to variables that do not even begin to touch upon anything paranormal; when I am anxious about something, such as in wanting a package to arrive at a certain time, time itself seems to be going slower merely because I am so focused on it and am looking at my clock all of the time. When one has to consider all the seconds and minutes that are left, and when one feels a sense of impatience, time can indeed seem slower.

Another misconception is that one can travel through time in spirit.
Since the future does not exist (due to it being completely dependent on present circumstances that are either incomplete or that have yet to transpire), one therefore cannot "travel" to it. One might say that a precog technically travels to the future, but a precog is merely psychically seeing the end result of a bunch of variables that WILL or will probably lead to an outcome that has NOT yet occurred. It is kind of like a weather forecast; the meteorologist will say that computer models expect rain on such and such day. Just because rain is imminent for that day doesn't mean it is happening on that day in some future timeline right this minute.

Major Dependencies: Basically, it depends on what is scheduled to occur when and on if a purported chronokinetic can make that happen later or sooner than thought;
Ex: Rain is expected at 10am and a chronokinetic makes it held off until 2pm.

Will post more later.


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Posted 17 August 2014 - 09:29 PM

I am going to be focusing on the "elemental" psionic abilities; specifically, atmokinesis, aerokinesis, pyrokinesis, electrokinesis and geokinesis and chronokinesis

How do you tell and is chronokinesis controlling time?


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Posted 18 August 2014 - 12:59 AM

View Postinterdimensionalactivity, on 17 August 2014 - 09:29 PM, said:

I am going to be focusing on the "elemental" psionic abilities; specifically, atmokinesis, aerokinesis, pyrokinesis, electrokinesis and geokinesis and chronokinesis

How do you tell and is chronokinesis controlling time?
I'm guessing by "How do you tell?" you mean how does one know that they have these abilities. I actually wrote another post about this that's floating around here somewhere called "Testing Psychic Abilities" or something or other.

Chronokinesis is the manipulation of time, but only the manipulation of future time, as what is past cannot be undone; one might argue that a precog is affected by future events, and that would thus be the future affecting the past, but in all reality, a precog is kind of like a living quantum computer that takes in all the variables around them (psychically, of course) and is able to precognitively discern what will occur, but them seeing it isn't an indication that a future event is happening now, kind of like a weather prediction model, but it doesn't exist yet.

True chronokinesis is basically affecting when something will occur. For instance, a chronokinetic might say something like, "The weatherman said a thunderstorm will occur around midnight tonight and hail will accompany it, but I want it to rain at approximately 4:05 p.m., with hail beginning around 5 p.m." Basically, the chronokinetic psionically manipulates the time frame. One might argue, assuming they believe in psionics or at the very least entertain the idea of it, that this could merely be an example of atmokinesis. In that case, someone believing they are truly chronokinetic would simply need to test their power across the board. Merely throwing examples out there, a purported chronokinetic could try to make it where they know that there is event A and event B, and they can use event A as a time frame for B's occurrence. For instance, say they know that a building (event A, in this case) is going to collapse soon due to severe dilapidation. Now say that there is a bus stop not that far from the dilapidated building. A chronokinetic could say something like, "Route 22 (event A) arrives at 2:15pm every day. When it arrives at 2:15pm on Thursday of this week, the dilapidated building will completely fall over", thus controlling when it happens. However, a chronokinetic can only affect when something is to occur in the future. They do not actually manipulate and/or affect time in such a drastic way as is done in The Butterfly Effect. They can neither speed time itself up or slow it down. Being able to manipulate an event's time table is not manipulating the flow of time as seen in the movies.

Edited by Simatong, 18 August 2014 - 01:00 AM.


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Posted 27 October 2014 - 01:34 AM

While I don't claim to have strong abilities and mostly prefer not to draw attention to it, I've had many experiences where my emotions had affected the weather.

I didn't really believe them myself fully until my boyfriend noticed. We were at a park having a picnic and I was trying to influence the wind (I tend to do it as a game- did it since I was a kid). He told me afterwards that he noticed every time he kissed me and my heartbeat got faster the wind would pick up.

There was also a time we were camping in a tent, and while he was kissing me (among other things) it started down pouring violently, and miraculously after we were done it instantly calmed. It was so drastic he asked me afterwards, "Did you mean to do that?" I was kinda not paying attention to anything besides him in the moment.... Needless to say he still teases me about that.

So while I have nobody to vouch for my experiences except him, that's what makes me believe in these phenomenons.


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Posted 27 October 2014 - 02:29 PM

View PostBbird319, on 27 October 2014 - 01:34 AM, said:

While I don't claim to have strong abilities and mostly prefer not to draw attention to it, I've had many experiences where my emotions had affected the weather.

I didn't really believe them myself fully until my boyfriend noticed. We were at a park having a picnic and I was trying to influence the wind (I tend to do it as a game- did it since I was a kid). He told me afterwards that he noticed every time he kissed me and my heartbeat got faster the wind would pick up.

There was also a time we were camping in a tent, and while he was kissing me (among other things) it started down pouring violently, and miraculously after we were done it instantly calmed. It was so drastic he asked me afterwards, "Did you mean to do that?" I was kinda not paying attention to anything besides him in the moment.... Needless to say he still teases me about that.

So while I have nobody to vouch for my experiences except him, that's what makes me believe in these phenomenons.

Hello,

I would say that what you describe is a form of telekinesis. The idea that you do not consciously focus on influencing something does not prevent your energies from being effective.

We really do have a lot to learn about things like this. Notice what you can and be comfortable with it.

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Posted 27 October 2014 - 05:36 PM

I have noticed that, when I'm listening to the USA national anthem, the wind picks up a little bit, so that whatever flag I'm watching gets almost extended during either the line "were so gallantly streaming" or "Home of the brave". I've never taken the time to see how frequently the wind picks up just enough to flap a flag for a second or two, especially in the evening, so I don't know f it's coincidence(which I suspect, just based on the fickleness of wind) or controlled.

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Posted 27 October 2014 - 06:55 PM

Let me propose a few ways that people can fool themselves into thinking they have these abilities and continue to do so even when the outcome is no greater than random chance.

The things you mentioned required situations that might happen, and of course you acknowledged that: no rain falling indoors, no snowstorm on a hot summer day. So that means there's a chance of the event happening anyway, with no paranormal interference.

In general, a strict time limit is not set. If the event happens immediately, all good. If it doesn't, the person may feel as if they need to try harder, just as a strong man struggles with pulling a great weight, but finally it begins to move. So this may seem like a natural way for an ability to work, but what it does is allow enough time to pass for the event to happen naturally.

Athletes, poets, and about anyone can have a bad day where nothing turns out right. Just because someone strikes out in baseball every time he goes to bat, doesn't mean he didn't hit those home runs last week. The skill is real, but sometimes it's lacking. People can use that as an excuse when natural luck just isn't in their favor and no matter how long they wait, the wind doesn't blow.

Since all these excuses are real ones for other talents, how do we know a person is fooling himself? Simple. Set up tests with time limits and impartial observers, or gauges, better yet. Let the person agree what counts as a success. A breeze over 10 mph within 2 minutes, for example, or whatever they want. Test them to see if they can do it, and in between, choose random 2-minute intervals and see how often there's a 10 mph wind, to see what would happen by chance.

If the person doesn't succeed and says they're having an off day, try again another day until they're sure their powers are working, but the off days get counted, just as a batter's average includes all his at-bats, not just his good ones. That avoids cherry picking just the good days to bring one's ability above average.

The problem is that people who are convinced they have such abilities generally have a psychological need to keep their belief alive. So they'll avoid such a test, or if they take it, they'll start adding new excuses to allow them to keep their belief, such as the presence of skeptics takes away their powers, or whatever helps them do it won't do it for tests. After a while, the ability is so hemmed in with conditions, like the invisible dragon in my garage that you can't see, hear, smell, touch, or interact with in any way, but I can insist it's really there and you can't prove me wrong.


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Posted 27 October 2014 - 07:07 PM

View Posthuckstep, on 27 October 2014 - 06:55 PM, said:

Let me propose a few ways that people can fool themselves into thinking they have these abilities and continue to do so even when the outcome is no greater than random chance.

The things you mentioned required situations that might happen, and of course you acknowledged that: no rain falling indoors, no snowstorm on a hot summer day. So that means there's a chance of the event happening anyway, with no paranormal interference.

In general, a strict time limit is not set. If the event happens immediately, all good. If it doesn't, the person may feel as if they need to try harder, just as a strong man struggles with pulling a great weight, but finally it begins to move. So this may seem like a natural way for an ability to work, but what it does is allow enough time to pass for the event to happen naturally.

Athletes, poets, and about anyone can have a bad day where nothing turns out right. Just because someone strikes out in baseball every time he goes to bat, doesn't mean he didn't hit those home runs last week. The skill is real, but sometimes it's lacking. People can use that as an excuse when natural luck just isn't in their favor and no matter how long they wait, the wind doesn't blow.

Since all these excuses are real ones for other talents, how do we know a person is fooling himself? Simple. Set up tests with time limits and impartial observers, or gauges, better yet. Let the person agree what counts as a success. A breeze over 10 mph within 2 minutes, for example, or whatever they want. Test them to see if they can do it, and in between, choose random 2-minute intervals and see how often there's a 10 mph wind, to see what would happen by chance.

If the person doesn't succeed and says they're having an off day, try again another day until they're sure their powers are working, but the off days get counted, just as a batter's average includes all his at-bats, not just his good ones. That avoids cherry picking just the good days to bring one's ability above average.

The problem is that people who are convinced they have such abilities generally have a psychological need to keep their belief alive. So they'll avoid such a test, or if they take it, they'll start adding new excuses to allow them to keep their belief, such as the presence of skeptics takes away their powers, or whatever helps them do it won't do it for tests. After a while, the ability is so hemmed in with conditions, like the invisible dragon in my garage that you can't see, hear, smell, touch, or interact with in any way, but I can insist it's really there and you can't prove me wrong.

Thank you for your response. However, this thread isn't really about proving psychic/psionic abilities; rather, it is a thread meant to discuss the theoretical mechanics behind psi phenomena (emphasis on *theoretical*). Therefore, while your feelings on the issue are appreciated, as is your candor, it really doesn't bring anything to the table to discuss apples when the topic of discussion is oranges. Now, if you have a theory on psychokinetic abilities that you'd like to share (which, based on your long response, I am almost certain you don't), then please, by all means, share. Otherwise, it seems a bit odd to read a response that has little to nothing to do with the topic at hand.






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