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Nigel Farage hints at Ukip deal with Tories


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Posted 13 July 2014 - 03:17 PM

The Telegraph said:



Nigel Farage has suggested he is prepared to do a deal with Conservatives ahead of the next election if they surrender working class seats in Essex and Kent.


Mr Farage said that if he was David Cameron, he would offer to give up 30 seats where the Tories are currently trailing behind Labour to give Ukip a clear run.


In exchange, he suggested that Ukip could agree not to fight the Conservatives in marginal seats in more affluent, middle-class areas such as Dorset.

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Posted 13 July 2014 - 04:32 PM

Notice the lack of putative deals with Labour :clap:

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Posted 13 July 2014 - 06:49 PM

It makes sense for UKIP to do a deal with the Tory party.

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Posted 13 July 2014 - 07:55 PM

Now we find out if the Tory party will sell its future for another crack at power.


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Posted 13 July 2014 - 09:00 PM

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Now we find out if the Tory party will sell its future for another crack at power.

they all will. its what they all crave the power of office. look at the Lib Dems they threw themselves to the wolves to get into government, seeing that it looks like another odds on for a hung parliament, you'll get them all doing what they can to be in that coalition government, even if it means doing a deal with the devil himself.

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Posted 13 July 2014 - 09:37 PM

Tories are clinging by their finger tips with Europe with all their skeptic back bench MP's.  They have no chance of re-election without an EU referendum.

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Posted 13 July 2014 - 09:54 PM

The Tories have proved themselves the same old ****'s as last time - twice bitten makes the electorate shy of believing a single word they have said. They will never be forgiven for their ideological attacks on the NHS.
I think they read the situation perfectly - they were always destined to be a one term Government so they went hell for leather to do all of the deeply unpopular **** they new they could never get away with if they had a chance the second time round.

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Posted 14 July 2014 - 09:34 AM

View Poststevewinn, on 13 July 2014 - 09:00 PM, said:

they all will. its what they all crave the power of office. look at the Lib Dems they threw themselves to the wolves to get into government, seeing that it looks like another odds on for a hung parliament, you'll get them all doing what they can to be in that coalition government, even if it means doing a deal with the devil himself.
Hi Steve, Which Devil are we talking about ,Labour has nothing to offer, The Lib-Dems are a nonentity,Cam is making all kinds of E.U. comments, which the E.U. are laughing at, and the U.K.I.P. are promising glory.Its gonna be a very strange election.
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Posted 14 July 2014 - 09:53 AM

View PostBr Cornelius, on 13 July 2014 - 09:54 PM, said:

The Tories have proved themselves the same old ****'s as last time - twice bitten makes the electorate shy of believing a single word they have said. They will never be forgiven for their ideological attacks on the NHS.
I think they read the situation perfectly - they were always destined to be a one term Government so they went hell for leather to do all of the deeply unpopular **** they new they could never get away with if they had a chance the second time round.

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If that was the case, twice bitten Labour would be no more. there policy of high taxes, borrow spend borrow spend borrow spend, sell the gold, raid the pensions pot of millions of ordinary people, mass immigration (which they apologised for) privatised the NHS far more than the Tories, made benefits a life style choice, even through 13 years of boom they had over two million on benefits. but the NHS, the sooner we privatise at least half of it the better, the reality is we cannot continue down the path where on. its getting ridiculous.

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Hi Steve, Which Devil are we talking about ,Labour has nothing to offer, The Lib-Dems are a nonentity,Cam is making all kinds of E.U. comments, which the E.U. are laughing at, and the U.K.I.P. are promising glory.Its gonna be a very strange election.
And the Wurzels (turnips/swedes) down here are Colour Blind.

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Posted 14 July 2014 - 10:05 AM

View Poststevewinn, on 14 July 2014 - 09:53 AM, said:

If that was the case, twice bitten Labour would be no more. there policy of high taxes, borrow spend borrow spend borrow spend, sell the gold, raid the pensions pot of millions of ordinary people, mass immigration (which they apologised for) privatised the NHS far more than the Tories, made benefits a life style choice, even through 13 years of boom they had over two million on benefits. but the NHS, the sooner we privatise at least half of it the better, the reality is we cannot continue down the path where on. its getting ridiculous.



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Rewarding the rich for been rich and punishing the poor for the economic mismanagement is not going to give you a viable future for a country.
Remember Steve that the UK government was in surplus until the crash of 2008 and the debt burden has continued to rise since then.

Your opinion on the NHS is not shared by most in the country and its not a fair reflection on what is one of the most efficient health services in the world. New Labour attacked it by stealth (continuing Thatchers policies without a pause), but the Tories basically want to destroy the whole public provision model to replace it with something like the  American system. Ideological rubbish disguised as a drive to choice and efficiency - when all the alternatives cost at least twice the per capita cost of the NHS.

Take your rose tinted glasses off and look at the reality of Tory Britain for a change.

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Edited by Br Cornelius, 14 July 2014 - 10:32 AM.

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Posted 14 July 2014 - 10:42 AM

View PostBr Cornelius, on 14 July 2014 - 10:05 AM, said:

Rewarding the rich for been rich and punishing the poor for the economic mismanagement is not going to give you a viable future for a country.
Remember Steve that the UK government was in surplus until the crash of 2008 and the debt burden has continued to rise since then.

Take your rose tinted glasses off and look at the reality of Tory Britain for a change.

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Don't talk rubbish the Labour Government was in surplus, for every £ pound raised they borrowed four. running a deficit, so when the bubble burst, their 'No more boom and bus't was shown to be a lie, the country - Labour failed to set aside any money in those boom years for the bust years. because the sheer arrogance of them - they thought they'd abolished boom and bust for good.

At the end of the Day public spending needs to be got under control, but no political party will deal with the issue. they need to be honest with the people explain the problems. just look at the benefits bill, income receipts don't even cover this money raised. just think for a second, 26 million workers paying tax and every penny and more goes straight out on benefits (all benefits, unemployment/Pensions etc..) meaning everything else we fund as a country comes from general taxation.The NHS costs us £111.8 Billion pounds. 2013/14. that's more than the Education/Universities/Defence budget combined.

When will people accept we need to get a grip of public spending once and for all? Its okay blaming the Tories when comedy show goes. - Tories fix economy through tough actions, - Labour re-elected stick to Tory spending plans for two years, eventually switch to their own spending plans, run up a deficit; Tories elected, tough actions again, economy recovered, - Labour re-elected, stick to Tory spending plans. then switch to their own spending plans. crash the economy again, and the cycle continues again and again. Its a fact Labour have never left office with the economy in a better shape/condition than when they took office. There comes a point in time when you cannot squeeze the productive part of the economy to support the unproductive part.


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Posted 14 July 2014 - 10:51 AM

View Poststevewinn, on 14 July 2014 - 09:53 AM, said:

If that was the case, twice bitten Labour would be no more. there policy of high taxes, borrow spend borrow spend borrow spend, sell the gold, raid the pensions pot of millions of ordinary people, mass immigration (which they apologised for) privatised the NHS far more than the Tories, made benefits a life style choice, even through 13 years of boom they had over two million on benefits. but the NHS, the sooner we privatise at least half of it the better, the reality is we cannot continue down the path where on. its getting ridiculous.

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Following on from your NHS theme Steve; I would suggest that ALL elective surgery be privatised. If you want to change Gender (that's a joke because Gender is a determinant at Genetic level), then you pay; if you want breast augmentation you pay (if you show sufficient mental anxiety you can get the NHS to pay); get smokers to pay for their smoke - related illnesses BUT, only if duty and tax is removed from cigarettes (at the moment there is a strong argument that smokers pay huge duties on their legal habit for just this reason); IF a person makes it a lifestyle choice to take illegal drugs then make them pay for any treatment (illegal drugs by definition, attract no Duty or Tax).

There must be hundreds of opportunities to return the NHS to what it should be - a safety net for unexpected, unintended, or long - term illnesses for which no Insurance Company will pay, that would release huge funding for Medical research

Make people responsible for THEIR lifestyle choices, and THEIR own personal desires.   I am just waiting for "Godwinism" to raise its head.... :unsure2:


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Posted 14 July 2014 - 11:05 AM

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There must be hundreds of opportunities to return the NHS to what it should be - a safety net for unexpected, unintended, or long - term illnesses for which no Insurance Company will pay,

Please show me where in the NHS charter that is says that. You will struggle.

That is what NICE is there to decide - what is affordable and ethical for the the NHS to provide or not. Again it is not very ethical to refuse people treatment for lifestyle choices which are generally foisted on them by Marketers. The current obesity, alcoholism and diabetes epidemics are best handled through strict regulation of food processors which is not what is happening. If you are not going to treat the causes of ill health then it is unfair to then punish the victims by refusing treatment.
Elective is by definition a restricted part of health care provision.

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Posted 14 July 2014 - 11:12 AM

View Postkeithisco, on 14 July 2014 - 10:51 AM, said:

Following on from your NHS theme Steve; I would suggest that ALL elective surgery be privatised. If you want to change Gender (that's a joke because Gender is a determinant at Genetic level), then you pay; if you want breast augmentation you pay (if you show sufficient mental anxiety you can get the NHS to pay); get smokers to pay for their smoke - related illnesses BUT, only if duty and tax is removed from cigarettes (at the moment there is a strong argument that smokers pay huge duties on their legal habit for just this reason); IF a person makes it a lifestyle choice to take illegal drugs then make them pay for any treatment (illegal drugs by definition, attract no Duty or Tax).

There must be hundreds of opportunities to return the NHS to what it should be - a safety net for unexpected, unintended, or long - term illnesses for which no Insurance Company will pay, that would release huge funding for Medical research

Make people responsible for THEIR lifestyle choices, and THEIR own personal desires.   I am just waiting for "Godwinism" to raise its head.... :unsure2:

agree that there are many procedures the NHS do today for which it was never set up to do and cost us millions, you could add tattoo removal people pay hundreds of pounds for tattoos, if these become infected they are treated free of charge, If after a few years they want the tattoo removed they can get that done free of charge on the NHS if they prove its having an mental/emotional distress. there are other areas of concern as well health tourism. a mate of mine whose grand parents are Iranian, - His nan back home in Iran was diagnosed with a heart condition and needed surgery. they flew her over, once over here they called a ambulance, 999 job, the Ambulance crew arrive detected the heart problem and took her to hospital. were they diagnosed the problem which needed surgery she was admitted to Hospital and had the operation, free of charge on the NHS. after three weeks in hospital and a few weeks later flew back home to Iran. that's one case i personally know off., others must happen.  (just for the record if it was my nan in Iran i'd have done the same) but highlights extra costs.

Another incident is my mums mate whose 60 but thinks she's 18. went to India to have plastic surgery and dental work done on the cheap. come back home and got massive infection, which she nearly died from. the infection was starting while over their but she flew home and went to the Doctors over here. treated on the NHS free. more of this sort of thing must happen. in cases like this people should be made to cover costs. for the NHS having to put right wrongs done elsewhere.

just to add, its a mine field.

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Posted 14 July 2014 - 12:20 PM

View PostBr Cornelius, on 14 July 2014 - 10:05 AM, said:

Rewarding the rich for been rich and punishing the poor for the economic mismanagement is not going to give you a viable future for a country.

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Emphasis mine: you are forever "banging on " about this. So... just for once WHO qualifies as "Rich" in your eyes. What does their disposable income have to be? Who are "the poor" - what are their disposable income that qualify them as such?

If you really want to use "slogans" and "soundbites" then it is nigh time for you to qualify your statements....





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