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#16    JJ50

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Posted 16 July 2014 - 11:23 AM

The theory of evolution, whilst not yet perfected, makes a heck of a lot more sense than the rather silly creation story in the Bible, imo!

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Posted 16 July 2014 - 11:42 AM

Evolution is not a religion, LOL, it is just a fact of life.

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Posted 16 July 2014 - 12:17 PM

It's interesting, last Sunday's church was largely soured by the preacher. It wasn't the usual dude (who was on holiday) so hopefully it's more an aberration.... but the sermon was on one of the Psalms, and a large part of the sermon was about how stupid evolution was, and why we are a "special creation". I had to leave early (my uncle's birthday) and then head to Sydney for a wedding so I'll chat with the real pastor next week, hopefully, but being a Theistic Evolution idealist I'll hopefully say that it's all opinion (and at worst that we can "agree to disagree").

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Posted 16 July 2014 - 12:21 PM

View PostJohn Wesley Boyd, on 16 July 2014 - 01:26 AM, said:

Well, except for little bumps in the road like Piltdown Man and Steady State Theory.

Steady State Theory is a bizarre example to pick... it has nothing to do with evolution.

And the scientific community absolutely panned the Piltdown Man hoax, nobody was fooled but laymen. It may have taken a very long time to fully expose as a hoax, and identify its perpetrator, but the skepticism over it was immense, from the very start.


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Posted 16 July 2014 - 12:23 PM

View PostDefenceMinisterMishkin, on 16 July 2014 - 11:42 AM, said:

Evolution is not a religion, LOL, it is just a fact of life.

Yep, man lies.  Which is the reason sons of men have to evolve into human beings.  [See Ecclesiastes 3:18]

Edited by 029b10, 16 July 2014 - 12:32 PM.

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Posted 16 July 2014 - 12:39 PM

View Post029b10, on 16 July 2014 - 12:23 PM, said:

Yep, man lies.  Which is the reason sons of men have to evolve into human beings.  [See Ecclesiastes 3:18]

Hahaha, what??? :lol: Elaborate/explain please?

Edited by Jeanne dArc, 16 July 2014 - 12:39 PM.


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Posted 16 July 2014 - 12:57 PM

View Postaquatus1, on 16 July 2014 - 01:57 AM, said:

Steady State theory was a perfectly valid scientific theory.  It just wasn't correct.  You can't hold a theory guilty of ignoring facts that haven't yet been discovered.

Piltdown Man was challenged pretty much from the beginning.  The Royal College of Surgeons went so far as to make a reconstruction that shown the molars were the wrong shape.  Others pointed out how convenient the breaks in the fossils were to encompass entire bones sections independently, instead of them being encased in the same stone as is normally found.  Decades prior to the eventual evidence of the artificially aged stains and the filed down teeth in 1953, the Piltdown Man had already been dismissed as a probable hoax.

Although, this does tie in nicely with the topic.  A lot of misunderstanding about science are perpetrated because a lot of people expect science to be something that it is not.
So, Science is true.....until we discover that it's not. For a scientist, Tyson spouts off a lot. Besides, I was rather fond of Pluto, too.

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Posted 16 July 2014 - 01:14 PM

View PostJohn Wesley Boyd, on 16 July 2014 - 12:57 PM, said:

So, Science is true.....until we discover that it's not.

Yes, true, in the "in accordance with facts" way.  When we discover it is no longer in accordance with the facts, it is considered obsolete.  Being that we cannot ever determine whether we are absolutely correct in regards to anything, this is the next best thing.

It would be arrogance to ever claim that we are incapable of making mistakes.  Science is not about 100% accuracy.  Science is about validity and probability, not correctness.

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For a scientist, Tyson spouts off a lot. Besides, I was rather fond of Pluto, too.

A rose by any other name.  I' ve grandfathered Pluto in with the rest of the planets myself.

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Posted 16 July 2014 - 05:25 PM

View PostJohn Wesley Boyd, on 16 July 2014 - 12:57 PM, said:

So, Science is true.....until we discover that it's not. For a scientist, Tyson spouts off a lot. Besides, I was rather fond of Pluto, too.

Yeah, thank god religious people never do that !

Oh wait ........ :no:

Nobody has ever said that scientists doesn't make mistakes.
One of the thing that differentiates science from religion, is the fact that scientists will change their oppinion if new evidence is presented !

How does Pluto in any way prove that atheism is a religion ?

Edited by Noteverythingisaconspiracy, 16 July 2014 - 05:36 PM.

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Posted 16 July 2014 - 08:04 PM

View PostJohn Wesley Boyd, on 16 July 2014 - 12:57 PM, said:

For a scientist, Tyson spouts off a lot.

When instead he should be doing what exactly?  I mean he's, without a doubt, one of the best science communicators alive, and considering that this topic, evolution, suffers greatly from lack of communication to/education of the ignorant at least in my country, we could use a lot more 'spouting' from him.

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Posted 16 July 2014 - 08:20 PM

O.k. on the record: I am a theist. If evolution is a religion, it's the religion with the most proof. Evolution is the best working model available.
Off the record: Dude, it works, it's been proven time and again and my faith (nor any other, that I am aware of) has even ten percent of the proof.

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Posted 16 July 2014 - 08:28 PM

View PostJohn Wesley Boyd, on 16 July 2014 - 01:24 AM, said:

All evolution means to religion, if you are a believer, is that the act of creation was a lot more complicated than  just abracadabra, and allakazam.
yes, there was also hokus pokus allemagokus, for example


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Posted 16 July 2014 - 08:54 PM

Even if evolution were a religion, I'd still take it over the alternatives.

But one of the many things Tyson pointed out in Cosmos was that scientists question everything, even their own theories.  It's a huge motivating factor in the advancement of our scientific understanding...always question because there is always more to learn...and most questions are answered with more questions.

Most of the arguments wouldn't happen if it wasn't for selective hearing. Ugh.

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Posted 16 July 2014 - 09:04 PM

All I can say is HA.

If you get dragged into another "factual" discussion of this, then i say get a better hobby.

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Posted 16 July 2014 - 09:28 PM

View PostJohn Wesley Boyd, on 16 July 2014 - 12:57 PM, said:

So, Science is true.....until we discover that it's not. For a scientist, Tyson spouts off a lot. Besides, I was rather fond of Pluto, too.
You can still be fond of Pluto. It's still the same loveable iceball it always was






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