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Evolution: A Religion

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#31    spacecowboy342

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Posted 16 July 2014 - 09:31 PM

Evolution is observed fact. Religion not so much


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Posted 17 July 2014 - 06:15 PM

View PostJohn Wesley Boyd, on 16 July 2014 - 01:26 AM, said:

Well, except for little bumps in the road like Piltdown Man and Steady State Theory.

Unlike religion, science can change as more facts and evidence are uncovered.   Science is an on going exploration of reality.

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Posted 17 July 2014 - 06:41 PM

Non of the arguments in the op are valid. There are huge differences in the way physicists define things and the way the words are used in common knowledge. It's so bad it even throws off young physicists. Creationists hear one thing but not being physicists rarely know what the physicist is actuall talking about. The generalizations are made and strawmen created.

Just a fe subjects that bear this problem.

1. The nature of time
2. Quantum mechanics
3. Thermo dynamics and its relationship to QN
4. Relativity

The list goes on. We do have a mechanism that can creat universes, there most likely  was a "time" before the Big Bang, Qm rules govern the very small, relativity the large. And yes thermodynamics fails at the quantum level and things can and go spear out if "nothing" all the time. It's testable. Only problem is that nothing isn't really nothing.

With all that said for the creationist, non of it rules out god that set it all into motion it only pushes the envelope back a bit.   The crusade creationists have on varified science is not helping their cause. In fact it pushes more and more potential members away.

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Posted 17 July 2014 - 07:50 PM

View PostOakum, on 15 July 2014 - 11:07 PM, said:

Evolution is based more on blind faith rather than on solid evidence of science.

There is so much evidence on the side of evolution it is only someone who is willfully ignorant to the facts who would state something like the above.

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Posted 17 July 2014 - 07:52 PM

View PostJohn Wesley Boyd, on 16 July 2014 - 12:57 PM, said:

So, Science is true.....until we discover that it's not.

"I don't understand science" would have been quicker.

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Posted 17 July 2014 - 09:16 PM

View Postaquatus1, on 16 July 2014 - 01:14 PM, said:

Yes, true, in the "in accordance with facts" way.  When we discover it is no longer in accordance with the facts, it is considered obsolete.  Being that we cannot ever determine whether we are absolutely correct in regards to anything, this is the next best thing.

It would be arrogance to ever claim that we are incapable of making mistakes.  Science is not about 100% accuracy.  Science is about validity and probability, not correctness.



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Very good. Science is the method by which we examine, explore and slowly accrue knowlege of the Universe. Science is an active process, not a static body of knowledge.

Edited by John Wesley Boyd, 17 July 2014 - 09:16 PM.

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Posted 17 July 2014 - 09:17 PM

View PostEmma_Acid, on 17 July 2014 - 07:52 PM, said:


"I don't understand science" would have been quicker.
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Posted 17 July 2014 - 09:43 PM

well, I can accept evolution as a religion. In accepting that, then I must accept factual history as a religion. I must accept Math as a religion. I must accept All scientific facts as a religion (this would include medical science, anthropology, archeology,..) I think you get the idea.

I reckon anything that has been proven a fact, and is believed in by others, such as if i flip on a light switch the light comes on.. if I have four cats and open a can then meowing chaos will happen,.. anything I believe in as fact, will be known as a religion, I can live with that.

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Posted 17 July 2014 - 10:00 PM

Evolution as religion! I'm surprised this thread hasn't taken on a more Humanist flavor. Greg M. Epstein states that, "modern, organized Humanism began, in the minds of its founders, as nothing more nor less than a religion without a God".

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Posted 17 July 2014 - 10:47 PM

View PostJohn Wesley Boyd, on 17 July 2014 - 09:17 PM, said:

Oh hush, darling. There's a method to my madness.

You may not want to be so subtle.  There are many here who would comment as you did based solely on not understanding science.


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Posted 17 July 2014 - 10:59 PM

Science, IIRC, the word "science" means "to understand" in Greek.
Sometimes, that understanding can be wrong, and the first people (nine times out of ten) to say "we was wrong" will be the scientists themselves.

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 01:05 AM

If one believes evolution without actually looking into it - that is, on "faith" - then it could be regarded as a religion.  On the other hand, if one looks into it, studies it a little, then accepts it based on evidence, then it is not a religion.

Same applies to Christianity.  If you believe it on "faith," it is a religion.  But if you investigate it in depth, carefully ruling out the mythical parts, then you realize, based on evidence, that it didn't actually happen that way, then your belief is based on evidence and does not qualify as religion.
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Posted 18 July 2014 - 01:26 AM

View Postaquatus1, on 17 July 2014 - 10:47 PM, said:

You may not want to be so subtle.  There are many here who would comment as you did based solely on not understanding science.
Yes. There certainly are, aren't they? I try to draw people out and gauge their depth of understanding. Some people surprise you with their sophistcation. Others think science is something factual they read on line or in a book, and has to be true. Some people, however, understand the difference between knowledge and the method with which it is acquired. They understand how it progresses, evolves and changes as an on going process. They have that extra level of awareness and can think outside the box

Edited by John Wesley Boyd, 18 July 2014 - 01:27 AM.

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 01:58 AM

View PostJohn Wesley Boyd, on 17 July 2014 - 09:16 PM, said:

Very good. Science is the method by which we examine, explore and slowly accrue knowlege of the Universe. Science is an active process, not a static body of knowledge.


Yes, science writes new stories all the time, religion only wrote one.

Edited by psyche101, 18 July 2014 - 01:58 AM.

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 02:05 AM

View PostGreenmansGod, on 15 July 2014 - 11:32 PM, said:

Sigh....


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He also said science cannot make absolute statements, you know like the one you posted.

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