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Why Can't Apes Speak Like Humans?

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#1    Still Waters

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Posted 20 July 2014 - 11:27 AM

In the new film "Dawn of the Planet of the Apes," a brilliant, mutant chimp named Caesar forcefully yells "Go!" at a group of humans who wandered into the ape population's forest. His deep, guttural voice startles the people, but his vocalizations are even more surprising.

The ape speaks English.

While bands of apes do have ways of communicating with one another, is it possible for nonhuman primates to speak the way humans do?

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Posted 20 July 2014 - 11:38 AM

They can, it's just unlike humans they only speak when they ave something interesting to say ;)

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Posted 20 July 2014 - 11:38 AM

View PostStill Waters, on 20 July 2014 - 11:27 AM, said:

The ape speaks English.



What like "innit" ?

Edited by freetoroam, 20 July 2014 - 11:39 AM.

In an ideal World a law would be passed were NO guns were allowed and all those out there destroyed, trouble is the law makers are not going to take a risk of trying to pass that without making sure they are armed first.

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Posted 20 July 2014 - 11:44 AM

I'm not sure how i would feel hearing a chimp speak like a human in reality.

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Posted 20 July 2014 - 12:00 PM

No they don't have the same vocal cords as humans.

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Posted 20 July 2014 - 12:04 PM

Chimps are very clever though, they have a broad and diverse language.

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Posted 20 July 2014 - 12:18 PM

Chimps have almost everything they need for speech. They have both the Broca's and Wernicke's areas of the brain used to process language. They have a hyoid bone but their larynx is not low enough to produce the full range of human sounds. They also have the FOXP2 gene that is necessary for speech, but is slightly different from the human version. It's this slight difference that may be the barrier to chimpanzee speech.

"biologists in Leipzig, Germany, genetically engineered a mouse with the human version of FOXP2 substituted for its own. The upgraded mice squeaked somewhat differently from plain mice and were born with subtle alterations in brain structure."

As far as I know, no one has tried to replace chimp FOXP2 genes with human ones. As opposed to the mouse experiment, this one would be highly controversial and most likely prohibited.


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Posted 20 July 2014 - 02:49 PM

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Posted 20 July 2014 - 04:22 PM

Since this Yahoo "news" story was inspired by the latest Planet of the Apes movie, I thought I would re-post a commercial from the last one. It was originally released as real footage from Africa, but was quickly revealed to be fake. Still, it's hilarious.




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Posted 20 July 2014 - 07:54 PM

I think the thinking here is backward. Can humans mimic the noises that an ape can produce? If so, then we simply need to create a language using the sounds apes and humans can both produce and teach it to both humans and apes.

So, in a sense, apes could be taught to speak, using their native range of vocalizations.

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Posted 20 July 2014 - 07:56 PM

I dont know if yall are quite rite or not. I mean parrots dont have vocal cords and ive heard parrots speak clear as day.

I dont know if yall are quite rite or not. I mean parrots dont have vocal cords and ive heard parrots speak clear as day.


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Posted 20 July 2014 - 08:19 PM

View PostDrfeelgood11, on 20 July 2014 - 07:56 PM, said:

I dont know if yall are quite rite or not. I mean parrots dont have vocal cords and ive heard parrots speak clear as day.

How come parrots can talk and not monkeys?



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Posted 20 July 2014 - 08:26 PM

In their defence, monkeys are quite good at singing.

Edited by Eldorado, 20 July 2014 - 08:26 PM.


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Posted 20 July 2014 - 08:41 PM

View PostDrfeelgood11, on 20 July 2014 - 07:56 PM, said:

I dont know if yall are quite rite or not. I mean parrots dont have vocal cords and ive heard parrots speak clear as day.

Not only can they talk, and not just imitate, they are also highly intelligent and according to the Cambridge Declaration;  "Evidence of near human-like levels of consciousness has been most dramatically observed in African grey parrots."

And this reminded me of Alex, the African Grey.



Edited by redhen, 20 July 2014 - 08:43 PM.


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Posted 20 July 2014 - 08:44 PM

View PostEldorado, on 20 July 2014 - 08:26 PM, said:

In their defence, monkeys are quite good at singing.

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