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Posted 28 July 2014 - 05:31 PM

UPI said:


NEW YORK, July 28 (UPI) --More than 2,500 of the responders to the 9/11 attacks and Ground Zero workers have been diagnosed with cancer as a result of their exposure at the site.

The New York Post reported that the Mount Sinai Hospital in New York City recently tallied 1,655 responders in the World Trade Center Health program who have cancer as a result of their work at Ground Zero. The 1,655 is among the police, hard hats, sanitation workers, other city employees and volunteers under the program's supervision.

That number rises to 2,518 when paramedics and firefighters are included -- the FDNY announced 863 cancer patients in their last tally Friday.


Read more: http://www.upi.com/T.../#ixzz38ml0rFim



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Posted 28 July 2014 - 05:37 PM

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Well, that sucks....

And nobody will give a sh!t either :/


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Posted 28 July 2014 - 05:48 PM





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Posted 28 July 2014 - 05:50 PM

How do they determine if the cancer was caused by 9/11 or just something else like drinking alcohol or smoking or diet etc?

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Posted 28 July 2014 - 05:55 PM

View PostBavarian Raven, on 28 July 2014 - 05:37 PM, said:

And nobody will give a sh!t either :/
not only that, but they wont get paid till 2015-16 either, the longer they wait the less they'll have to pay out.

also if type into google 911 responders, you will see that more fdny, nypd, hard hats...etc, do not  wear masks working on the site, than the ones that wear them. hundreds if not thousands of pics.
my building was 3 blocks from there, and i worked everyday to clean up my air handlers, and cooling towers, the smell in the air was bad, and i did wear mask pretty much all day long. you had to be dumb to believe what christine whitman said about air, when smell alone would tell you something is not right.

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Posted 28 July 2014 - 05:57 PM

View PostGeorge Ford, on 28 July 2014 - 05:50 PM, said:

How do they determine if the cancer was caused by 9/11 or just something else like drinking alcohol or smoking or diet etc?

It could be that some of those cancers are not related, but here we are talking about ~10% of the first responders developing cancer within a few years of 9/11.

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Posted 28 July 2014 - 06:28 PM

You would have to see how they compare to other responders in the population who were not there.   Firemen breathe in a lot of cancer causing stuff on the job. They don't have to eat bad or smoke to get cancer or bad hearts.  It is not what I call a healthy workplace kind of job.  If they get sick from it we should care for them, they gave their lives for us.

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Posted 28 July 2014 - 07:27 PM

View PostGeorge Ford, on 28 July 2014 - 05:50 PM, said:

How do they determine if the cancer was caused by 9/11 or just something else like drinking alcohol or smoking or diet etc?

That piece did not go into it, and at the end rather glossed it over with the statement "they also have PTSD", but the cancers observed were most unusual for young and otherwise healthy adults.

The cancers include Leukemia, non-Hodgkins Lymphoma and Multiple Myeloma, and are very much present also in the survivors of Chernobyl, Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Matt Tartaglia RIP of Perkasie PA who worked there for some days, described nuclear decontamination protocols in place as he was working.  His teeth fell out and eventually he died.

But many folks will sit there with a straight face and declare that there was no radiation event at WTC, rather like Whitman did.

Ah, The Emperor's New Clothes are truly splendid, eh?


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Posted 28 July 2014 - 07:28 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 28 July 2014 - 05:57 PM, said:

It could be that some of those cancers are not related, but here we are talking about ~10% of the first responders developing cancer within a few years of 9/11.

What are your thoughts regarding the identical epidemiology between these who worked at Ground Zero and those who survived places like Chernobyl and Nagasaki?


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Posted 28 July 2014 - 07:31 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 28 July 2014 - 07:28 PM, said:

What are your thoughts regarding the identical epidemiology between these who worked at Ground Zero and those who survived places like Chernobyl and Nagasaki?

Different cancers. More likely to have been caused by asbestos and burned plastic. But I am not a specialist.

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Posted 28 July 2014 - 07:38 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 28 July 2014 - 07:27 PM, said:

But many folks will sit there with a straight face and declare that there was no radiation event at WTC, rather like Whitman did.



do not know about ground zero, but 3 blocks away it was not any higher than before 911, our security dept checked it few times, over several days span, staring on sept 17,   if there was you could not hide it, anyone with giger counter could spot it.  there was tonns of other harful chemicals there, enough to cause sickness. but radiation, was  not one of them.

as for Whitman, she said the thruth, if you know how to read politicans, everything they say, is the opposite of truth

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Posted 29 July 2014 - 01:12 AM

It's neither here nor there unless you do a comparison among similar cohorts.

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Posted 29 July 2014 - 12:30 PM

View Postaztek, on 28 July 2014 - 07:38 PM, said:

do not know about ground zero, but 3 blocks away it was not any higher than before 911, our security dept checked it few times, over several days span, staring on sept 17,   if there was you could not hide it, anyone with giger counter could spot it.  there was tonns of other harful chemicals there, enough to cause sickness. but radiation, was  not one of them.

as for Whitman, she said the thruth, if you know how to read politicans, everything they say, is the opposite of truth

I wonder if your department was using a Geiger Counter in its detection effort?  Did you know that Geiger Counters detect only A, B and Gamma radiation?  That it cannot detect neutron radiation?

Any thoughts on why the American Chemical Society meeting in Orlando of April 2002 would discuss, among other things, "Elevated Tritium Levels at WTC"?

Any thoughts on why a USGS crew collecting samples at 35 locations within a 1km radius on 17 and 18 September would have detected the presence of Thorium at levels 6 times the concentration of the lowest levels found in that survey?

Any thoughts on why Matt Tartaglia would go public with the fact that nuclear decontamination protocols were being used there?

He eventually lost his teeth, and then his life.


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Posted 29 July 2014 - 12:41 PM

yes it was giger counter, and according to it, there was no rise in a,b, gamma radiation.

i'm not sure what nuclear decontamination protocols he was refering to, but i sure did not see anything other than responders\contractors, working there, with no special equipment, some even did not wear masks.

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Posted 29 July 2014 - 12:44 PM

i did hear numerous CTs, some said there was no planes there, at all (and i saw second one hit, with my own eyes,) other theories claim there was mini nuke that went off, again i was there and watched them fall with my own eyes, i think i would spot a nuclear explosion, 3 blocks away from me.

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