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#1    markdohle

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Posted 07 August 2014 - 08:22 PM

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In my last article, I dissected the study that went around the Internet claiming that children who have been exposed to religion (like swine flu) can't tell the difference between reality and fiction. Those findings were less than convincing, as I and others pointed out - because kids who had been to Christian Sunday school were virtually guaranteed to recognize the  "fictional" stories as versions of Bible narratives.

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Posted 07 August 2014 - 08:35 PM

He really doesn't understand the scientific method does he?

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Posted 07 August 2014 - 08:38 PM

View PostRafterman, on 07 August 2014 - 08:35 PM, said:

He really doesn't understand the scientific method does he?

He does, just differently than you.  He is reacting to a silly article about religious children that is a tad biased.....of course most things are.  This modern myth about the war between religion and science is waged by certain segments in both groups, the majority probably don't see any problem.....they are called the quiet majority.

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Posted 07 August 2014 - 08:57 PM

Soooo, children have vivid imaginations? Wooooooo, shocker! While I can say with certainty that I have many doubts about believing something that cannot be proven, this stance does not change the fact that I love to imagine that such things are possible.


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Posted 07 August 2014 - 10:28 PM

So, we should encourage children to believe in religion because it improves their imaginations?

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Posted 09 August 2014 - 02:24 AM

View PostStarMountainKid, on 07 August 2014 - 10:28 PM, said:

So, we should encourage children to believe in religion because it improves their imaginations?
Well, if discouraging belief, restricts imagination then yes . We all need a good imagination .

You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

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Posted 09 August 2014 - 03:05 AM




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Posted 09 August 2014 - 09:24 PM

View PostStarMountainKid, on 07 August 2014 - 10:28 PM, said:

So, we should encourage children to believe in religion because it improves their imaginations?
Don't forget fear and hatred.

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Posted 09 August 2014 - 09:40 PM

If you want to help kids build imagination. then limit the TV and video games and gave them some paint, crayons and blank paper.  Play role playing games with them, tell them stories.  They learn quick enough what is real and story.  My one kid used to tell me some whoppers, but they were good and had a lot of imagination.  When he got done, I'd ask is that true or a whopper.  He would laugh and give it away.  I miss my little kids to bad they had to grow up.

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Posted 09 August 2014 - 10:57 PM

View PostStarMountainKid, on 07 August 2014 - 10:28 PM, said:

So, we should encourage children to believe in religion because it improves their imaginations?

If God exists, yes of course.  The questions, does God exist?  I say yes, and science backs that up.  However to believe in a certain religion does take faith.  for instance Christian parents should tell their children about Christ and should actually live out their faith.

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Posted 09 August 2014 - 10:59 PM

View PostGreenmansGod, on 09 August 2014 - 09:40 PM, said:

If you want to help kids build imagination. then limit the TV and video games and gave them some paint, crayons and blank paper.  Play role playing games with them, tell them stories.  They learn quick enough what is real and story.  My one kid used to tell me some whoppers, but they were good and had a lot of imagination.  When he got done, I'd ask is that true or a whopper.  He would laugh and give it away.  I miss my little kids to bad they had to grow up.

I agree, reading, art and crafts and story telling are one of the best ways to keep one interest in learning open..  TV, while it has its place tends to make the imagination, lazy at least from my viewpoint.

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Posted 09 August 2014 - 11:00 PM

View Posteuroninja, on 09 August 2014 - 09:24 PM, said:

Don't forget fear and hatred.

You don't need religion to have plenty of that.......it fact it seems to be growing in the world today......even without religion.....North Korea for instance and China, Cuba etc.   People are people, not a pleasant thought.

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Posted 10 August 2014 - 12:18 AM

People think magical powers, super natural powers, ghosts, etc are impossible.
It's not until you have seen or felt the pressence of a ghost or spirit
that one will believe...
yet others will just claim they went crazy if they experience the supernatural...

People think it's impossible to move objects across a table without touching them..
yet monks can concentrate their mind and focus and have done this on video...

all limitations are self imposed

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Posted 10 August 2014 - 12:25 AM

View PostLostSouls7, on 10 August 2014 - 12:18 AM, said:

People think magical powers, super natural powers, ghosts, etc are impossible.
It's not until you have seen or felt the pressence of a ghost or spirit
that one will believe...
yet others will just claim they went crazy if they experience the supernatural...

People think it's impossible to move objects across a table without touching them..
yet monks can concentrate their mind and focus and have done this on video...

all limitations are self imposed

I Like your last line. Without imagination nothing is possible because, before we attempt anything, we have to imagine it. If you believe you can do something, eventually you will be able to, even if not in the way you thought possible And if you personally don't achieve it, some other human eventually will.

You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.

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Be cheerful.

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Posted 10 August 2014 - 12:57 AM

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Posted ImageStarMountainKid, on 07 August 2014 - 05:28 PM, said:

So, we should encourage children to believe in religion because it improves their imaginations?

markdohle said:

If God exists, yes of course.  The questions, does God exist?  I say yes, and science backs that up.  However to believe in a certain religion does take faith.  for instance Christian parents should tell their children about Christ and should actually live out their faith.

Science backs up the existence of God?? I think children should understand the difference between imagined stuff and reality. I personally don't believe in indoctrinating children in any particular religion. I think that limits their freedom of imagination. In my opinion, that is imagination-abuse.

I'm very glad my parients did not force-feed me some particular religious belief.

Edited by StarMountainKid, 10 August 2014 - 12:58 AM.

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