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#1    F3SS

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Posted 14 August 2014 - 01:01 AM

I'm talking about the deliberate kind, not accidental. I feel that it is the greatest act of selfishness one can commit. The act will terrorize the deceased's loved ones for ever. It accomplishes nothing but to escape any and all responsibility and dumps it on those left behind to deal with wether they want to or not, wether they can or not. Nobody deserves to be put through that. It's horribly unnecessary.
I've been censored and condemned to hell in another thread for voicing that opinion. I hope a dedicated thread is ok. All I want to know is how other people feel about it. Please do not mention names of those guilty of the act, famous or otherwise.


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Posted 14 August 2014 - 01:05 AM

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No one commits suicide as a cowards way out. your not thinking clearly to begin with when you have severe depression, why cant you set that? its very simple.

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Posted 14 August 2014 - 01:08 AM

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Having a close freind kill herself right after I graduated high school I get highly offended when people call it selfish or cowardly.

She was the nicest person I have ever known and she had the most ****ed up life I have ever witnessed. She was in no way selfish or a coward.

Being close to suicide myself(at one point a long time ago) I think I know alot of the mindset. It has none thing to do with being selfish. The only people I ever see call it selfish are the people who have not experienced it. You kill yourself when you feel like everything sucks and no matter what none thing is going to get better so you have no other option. You feel it is the only escape.

And its not cowardly it takes alot to off yourself. Your body is against it, it is not easy you know everything you are leaving behind but you just cant take it anymore

Edited by spartan max2, 14 August 2014 - 01:09 AM.

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Posted 14 August 2014 - 01:14 AM

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View Postjamesjr191, on 14 August 2014 - 01:05 AM, said:

No one commits suicide as a cowards way out. your not thinking clearly to begin with when you have severe depression, why cant you set that? its very simple.

Could not agree more. It's easy for a person to criticize when they have not experienced what another has gone through.


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Posted 14 August 2014 - 01:19 AM

There are so many reasons that people take their own lives that it is impossible to find an all encompassing reason, or judgement. I imagine leaving loved ones behind would have to be the hardest part.

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Posted 14 August 2014 - 01:26 AM

Fess i think alot of it is because you probably have a family and your looking at it from a fathers prospective instead of trying to look at it from the perspective of the person who commits the act

" I imagine that the intellegent people are the ones so intellegent that they dont even need or want to look "intellegent" anymore".
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Posted 14 August 2014 - 01:38 AM

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View PostF3SS, on 14 August 2014 - 01:01 AM, said:

I'm talking about the deliberate kind, not accidental. I feel that it is the greatest act of selfishness one can commit. The act will terrorize the deceased's loved ones for ever. It accomplishes nothing but to escape any and all responsibility and dumps it on those left behind to deal with wether they want to or not, wether they can or not. Nobody deserves to be put through that. It's horribly unnecessary.
I've been censored and condemned to hell in another thread for voicing that opinion. I hope a dedicated thread is ok. All I want to know is how other people feel about it. Please do not mention names of those guilty of the act, famous or otherwise.

I'd hesitate to use the word 'selfish' when it comes to suicide. It's an act of desperation, not a self-serving one.

But the point you're missing completely is that many people who commit suicide genuinely believe that the world (including all their loved ones) will be better off without them. As another poster alluded to, suicide is often the result of irrational thinking.


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Posted 14 August 2014 - 01:43 AM

View PostF3SS, on 14 August 2014 - 01:01 AM, said:

I'm talking about the deliberate kind, not accidental. I feel that it is the greatest act of selfishness one can commit. The act will terrorize the deceased's loved ones for ever. It accomplishes nothing but to escape any and all responsibility and dumps it on those left behind to deal with wether they want to or not, wether they can or not. Nobody deserves to be put through that. It's horribly unnecessary.
I've been censored and condemned to hell in another thread for voicing that opinion. I hope a dedicated thread is ok. All I want to know is how other people feel about it. Please do not mention names of those guilty of the act, famous or otherwise.
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Posted 14 August 2014 - 01:44 AM

I used to dream about it often.
I still at times romanticize about it... but not as much as I did when I was young.
i used to even write songs about it..

what saved me? the power of Magic..it's so amazing and learn and use more everyday..
nothing made me feel so alive like magic !

Then again I think I p*** people off more by staying. So like the guy in Falling Down who didn't want to leave the store..
when the owner told him Go! .. I say like him... I think I'll stay.. what do you think of that ?

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Posted 14 August 2014 - 01:47 AM

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Iv always thought it was selfish to use the excuse of leaving loved ones behind, and how its so hard for them? The way I see it is you are selfish for wanting this person to stay alive and suffer for your own comfort and happyness.

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Posted 14 August 2014 - 01:51 AM

All I know is the human mind is complicated, driven by passions and fears, hormones and endorphins, shaped by genetics, environment, events singular and mundane. It's very hard to quantify what drives a person to suicide. It could be a selfish act, it could also be an act of pure desperation in a mind not thinking clearly. It does, of course, hurt others as Mr. William's suicide will attest to, but it's difficult to be concerned with the feelings of others if your mind is not thinking clearly because of deep depression and fear. Sometimes the most talented people seem to be the most prone to these feelings. It's perhaps not unexpected in people that live a life of excesses, where substance and other abuses get out of control, like John Belushi or Jimi Hendrix. Deliberate acts are harder to understand but, perhaps these individuals just have trouble coping with life at a level most of us consider "normal," (whatever that is) or have a fear of failure or rejection, of just feel like they will never fit in.

As Don McClean sang of Vincent Van Gogh:

"And when no hope was left in sight,
On that starry, starry night,
You took you, life as lovers often do.

But I could have told you Vincent,
This world was never meant for
One as beautiful as you."


I pray no one here has to suffer the loss of a friend or family member to suicide.




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Posted 14 August 2014 - 01:53 AM

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I tried to commit suicide two times. Luckily, I'm still here. I did it in a very dark period of my life, around 22 and 24 years old. I was dealing with a complex cocaine and alcohol addiction. For me, without those 2 things life was not even worth it. My family, my friends, my girlfriend at that time, no one of them were THAT important for me, everything was dark and depressing. I tried everything: therapy, AA meetings, whatever. None of them work. I lost interest in life, music, sex, etc. I was sort of driven by death thoughts and how useless I felt and how useless I was for the rest of the people. The first time I  tried to overdose myself, but I woke up on a hospital bed, since my gf at that time found me resting in the bathtub totally off. After that, my parents forced me to come to live with them again. I was feeling fine for a couple of months until I realised again that my life was completely a waste of time, so I took lots of pills at the same time. I had some seizures and stuff, my father heard a heavy coughing in my room. Last thing I remember were the voices of doctors talking about me and asking questions to my mom. They cleaned my stomach and I was in bed for several weeks.

Anyway, I dealt with my addictions. To overcome pain of being clean I became sort-of-addicted to pain killers, until my digestive system couldn't take that anymore and now I live with chronic pain and a few surgeries on my calendar (first one in October).

I never overcame my death thoughts and sometimes I feel useless and lonely. I tried to surpass this focusing myself on work, trying to do things that I like (such as music, writing videogames, blogging, reading, etc.) I'm sort of socially akward person so I rather stay alone with my dog and cats. My gf left me not-so-long-time-ago and right now I'm sort of struggling and sometimes I think that "maybe" it would be better to not having to deal with this bs but I try to stay positive and live one day at the time.

I wasn't selfish or coward. I just didn't want to deal with pain anymore, because I tried things and none of them work. I don't know if its chemical or spiritual but I know that when you are in that spot, in the most bottomless pit ever, totally hopeless, there's no much you can do.

I wrote this song before trying to kill myself. It pretty much portraits the moment. My english singing not so good but the lyrics are:

"They were three, the Springfield three, they were three and disappear.  Wish I could, do the same with no tears, wish I could, do the same and walk away. Don't you know how many times I faced the sea? My hanging legs, my broken heart and no one there, for me".

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Edited by MrBene, 14 August 2014 - 02:07 AM.


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Posted 14 August 2014 - 02:00 AM

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MrBene, I can appreciate the courage it took to post something so very personal. :tu:


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Posted 14 August 2014 - 02:24 AM

I believe many of us struggled with these kinds of thoughts at least once in our lifetime. Luckily for many, they are only thoughts and not actions.


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Posted 14 August 2014 - 02:32 AM

People, I mentioned a few times in the other thread that I do in fact have a pretty close and personal experience in my family with the subject. It happened only a few months ago. The only thing selfish about that statement is how I call it personal. It was, is, but not nearly to the degree of how personal it is to his wife and kids. That's about all the detail I should share on here but I do have a say in the matter.
Someone said it's selfish of me to want someone to pull through the darkness and keep on living. Why? Would it be selfish if I had caught someone about to end it all and I stopped them? Is it selfish of a wife and kids to do what they can to keep their dad/husband around, or any similar scenario? I don't think so.

MrBene, good for you. Perhaps you aren't feeling great about life but I'm going to guess there is someone or many people who are glad you are around still. You are being completely selfless. It might suck but you'll leave a far more respectable memory for those left behind when your natural time comes.

Edited by F3SS, 14 August 2014 - 02:32 AM.





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