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#1    scopes

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Posted 03 September 2014 - 02:03 AM

Hi I'm new to the forum so please be gentle. :-)

A bit about me first, I'm interested in all things up in the sky whether it be planets, stars, unidentified craft and all sorts. I have an interest in UFOs but generally I go on the side of debunking videos on YouTube, not because I don't believe in aliens (I'm not sure what I believe there) but I like to point out to people what things are more likely to be rather than alien, but obviously not everything can be debunked. It's a fascinating field for me.

Onto my personal sighting. I live about 15 miles from Heathrow airport so over the years I've learned to spot planes etc and usually easy to do. But early on Monday morning about 4.20am when it was still darkish I saw something which I've not been able to debunk yet.  It was a craft which was quite fast but quite low in the sky. It wasn't going the normal flight paths of Heathrow landings although heading in that direction.  What sets this out for me is that it didn't have multiple night lights like normal planes but had a large single slow pulsating light. Trying to photograph it on my phone resulted in a disappointing black image.

I know it wasn't a helicopter as there was no rotor noise, I can only describe it finally as being similar to ISS but with the pulsating light. I've checked the heathrow historical flightpath data and there were no flights between 4-5am so I'm stumped right now.

And right now it is technically a UFO as I cannot explain it. I'm wondering does anyone know of an aircraft type which has only one slow pulsating night light?

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Posted 03 September 2014 - 04:31 AM

Hey Scope, welcome to the forum. :)

You said, "I know it wasn't a helicopter as there was no rotor noise..." They do make helicopters with little or no rotor noise now. Check out the Eurocopter.

Edited by Likely Guy, 03 September 2014 - 04:33 AM.


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Posted 03 September 2014 - 05:11 AM

I don't know that I'm an aircraft expert per say, but I did once fly a kite OVER 50 feet into the air.
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Posted 03 September 2014 - 05:29 AM

View PostLikely Guy, on 03 September 2014 - 04:31 AM, said:

Hey Scope, welcome to the forum. :)

You said, "I know it wasn't a helicopter as there was no rotor noise..." They do make helicopters with little or no rotor noise now. Check out the Eurocopter.

Hi thanks for the reply. Fortunately I know what the eurocopter sounds like as Thames Valley police use them, also air ambulance, they still have a distinct whooshing sound. With no noise pollution around at that time I think I would have noticed it, but maybe eurocopters have a truly silent mode? I don't know.  I really wish I was able to record it :-(

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I don't know that I'm an aircraft expert per say, but I did once fly a kite OVER 50 feet into the air.
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Posted 03 September 2014 - 05:59 AM

What was the pulse frequency ?

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Posted 03 September 2014 - 07:01 AM

Lights from aircraft can be quite misleading. If it was moving left to right you wouldn't see the red and green navigation lights, and a flashing, or indeed strobing, strobe could be prominent, depending which angle you were looking at it from.

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Posted 03 September 2014 - 12:11 PM

Is there any possibility this could have been a rotating chinese lantern ?

I saw one of those a year ago, and it looked VERY strange. It seemed to be moving WAY to fast to be a balloon or lantern (because I was misjudging its distance from me), and I thought it was WAY to bright to be a stupid flying candle. But..it was.

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Posted 03 September 2014 - 02:24 PM

View PostRoofGardener, on 03 September 2014 - 05:59 AM, said:

What was the pulse frequency ?

That is difficult to judge from memory but it was slow like imagine saying "one" but longer like oonnee. I'm not even sure that makes sense.


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Posted 03 September 2014 - 02:26 PM

View PostAdmiral Rhubarb, on 03 September 2014 - 07:01 AM, said:

Lights from aircraft can be quite misleading. If it was moving left to right you wouldn't see the red and green navigation lights, and a flashing, or indeed strobing, strobe could be prominent, depending which angle you were looking at it from.

It was moving say from 10 o'clock to 4 o'clock across the sky so I think I got a good view of front, left side and rear. Just didn't see the right side.

Edited by Scope, 03 September 2014 - 02:33 PM.


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Posted 03 September 2014 - 02:30 PM

View PostRoofGardener, on 03 September 2014 - 12:11 PM, said:

Is there any possibility this could have been a rotating chinese lantern ?

I saw one of those a year ago, and it looked VERY strange. It seemed to be moving WAY to fast to be a balloon or lantern (because I was misjudging its distance from me), and I thought it was WAY to bright to be a stupid flying candle. But..it was.

Hi I'm certain it wasn't a Chinese lantern. From my experience Chinese lanterns flicker and are more of a burning yellow light, whereas this was slow on/off and a white light. Also Chinese lanterns tend to fly with the wind, yet this seemed on a direct course. I can only really say it was like the iss but with the pulsating light - fast and determined. But not as fast as iss, fast like a plane.


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Posted 03 September 2014 - 02:37 PM

If you saw it moving from the 10 to 4 position the light would have been pulsating with a tinge of green.
Keep in mind that the flasher unit on older aircraft as they get old tend to weaken and the time between flashes as well as intensity can weaken and slow.
Todays modern acft incorporate an LED light assembly with a strobe all in one and can be very intense in brightness and they also tend to have a slower flash time as the power supply charges and releases, charges and releases and so on in a pulse type charge.
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Posted 03 September 2014 - 03:05 PM

View PostScope, on 03 September 2014 - 02:03 AM, said:

I've checked the heathrow historical flightpath data and there were no flights between 4-5am so I'm stumped right now.



I'm not sure what you mean by the above...there are 5 terminals with planes taking off and landing every few minutes or so, 24hrs a day. So what do you mean there was no flights between 4 and 5am?


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Posted 03 September 2014 - 03:15 PM

View PostThe Sky Scanner, on 03 September 2014 - 03:05 PM, said:

I'm not sure what you mean by the above...there are 5 terminals with planes taking off and landing every few minutes or so, 24hrs a day. So what do you mean there was no flights between 4 and 5am?

I'll have to quote myself here....i've checked and you're right, I had no idea they restricted the flights back to that degree in the early hours at heathrow. Learnt something new there.


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Posted 03 September 2014 - 03:17 PM

You're not giving us much to go on.  Did it have an aircraft shape?  Approximately how high was it?  Any kind of noise?   How far away from you?

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Posted 03 September 2014 - 03:24 PM

One thing that might help - if you go to flight tracker.com, they show the live flight tracker, you'll probably have to pay but I think you can get the historical flight tracker too, so you could plot your location and see if anything flies outside of the original flight corridors and corresponds with what you see.....could be worth a try!





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