theotherguy Posted December 9, 2014 #1 Share Posted December 9, 2014 I'm wondering what everybody else thinks about the idea of extraterrestrials visiting Earth. Personally, I'm torn between the probability of them getting here and the amount of witnesses. Probability of them getting here: Even at near, light speed, it would take decades to get to Earth from anywhere of any appreciable distance. That's assuming that near light speed travel is possible and feasible over long distance. Faster than light travel is, I don't want to say it's never going to happen, but it's never going to happen. Interdimensional travel is theoretical at best. Alternatively, aliens are willing and able to spend centuries or millennia traveling here just to chop up cows, put bits of random metal into people, and send an occasional warning to somebody with major credibility issues. The means and motive totally escape me. The amount of witnesses: Do I believe that many UFO interactions, from abductions to night lights, are either hoaxes or misinterpretation of something not alien? Yes. Probably most of them are. In fact, the vast, vast majority are proven wrong, and likely many are wrong, just not proven as such. The issue I have here is that saying that every single person in the history of ever who has has an unexplained experience, including those that simply saw a weird star and decided not say anything, is either lying or mistaken, strikes me as dogmatic and unprovable, which, of course, is not conducive to good research. How's that for a run-on sentence? If you post, please don't attack anyone else. I'm interested in YOUR story, not your opinions of someone else's story. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabby Kitten Posted December 9, 2014 #2 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Ufo's have been reported and I've seen them. I don't believe these are driven by extra terrestrials. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpiritWriter Posted December 9, 2014 #3 Share Posted December 9, 2014 I believe it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpiritWriter Posted December 9, 2014 #4 Share Posted December 9, 2014 (edited) If so why: hmm.. well there are too many reports for me not to believe. I saw a ufo myself once. Sure this could have been some sort of hologram or hoax by someone playing a trick on the neighborhood, but I just think it's possible. I feel it is inevitable for there to be other life on other planets. Why would we be so lucky to be the only place that inhabits life? The probability of our planet being the only planet that inhabits life is like 1/140,000,000,000,000,000. I feel it is inevitable that technology will not advance until travel is possible. Just as we used to be unaware about the continents on the other side of the sea and it seemed impossible that we would meet "aliens", the same is true about intergalactic travel. It is not impossible for them to be smarter than us and have found us first. It is not impossible that the governments, etc.. are hiding this from us and so since it is not impossible, than it is surely possible. lol my very simple answer Edited December 9, 2014 by SpiritWriter 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qxcontinuum Posted December 9, 2014 #5 Share Posted December 9, 2014 I only believe in God. I don't believe in aliens because I am afraid they'll make it a religion 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badeskov Posted December 9, 2014 #6 Share Posted December 9, 2014 I only believe in God. I don't believe in aliens because I am afraid they'll make it a religion So if there is something you do not like, you simply chose to ignore it? And who is "they"? Cheers, Badeskov Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted December 9, 2014 #7 Share Posted December 9, 2014 I am open to the idea of visiting aliens. I'm also mostly of the opinion that any technology we actually see is human in development. The possibility of ETs visiting Earth I think is directly linked to gravity generation. If anyone ever derives a way to affect gravity on purpose, and put that into space, then you can warp space/time and move around much faster then in flat space/time. I've no idea how to generate or manipulate gravity, and if I did, I'd be sitting at the head of the most important corporation on Earth. One idea I also tend to favor is that the little grey guys are the same demons/ghosts/faeries/elves/spirits that people have been seeing since history started being recorded. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted December 9, 2014 #8 Share Posted December 9, 2014 (edited) I only believe in God. I don't believe in aliens because I am afraid they'll make it a religion I can almost 100% guarantee that if aliens were reveled as being real, soon 25%+ of the human race would be cultishly following them and emulating them. Their "enlightened" philosophies, and education, and logical statements, would be lapped up by billions. Edited December 9, 2014 by DieChecker 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qxcontinuum Posted December 9, 2014 #9 Share Posted December 9, 2014 (edited) So if there is something you do not like, you simply chose to ignore it? And who is "they"? Cheers, Badeskov Who are they? Those that own every bit of your life . Those that dictate the price of gold and petroleum, the ones you own your mortgage, and your every day life. Those that you see in Lamborghinis and Ferraris dressed like puppies and talking like girls rushing to dinners and jubilees while you drove your crappy dodge full of non organic groceries from food savers. Edited December 9, 2014 by qxcontinuum 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badeskov Posted December 9, 2014 #10 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Who are they? Those that own every bit of your life . Those that dictate the price of gold and petroleum, the ones you own your mortgage, and your every day life. Those that you see in Lamborghinis and Ferraris dressed like puppies and talking like girls rushing to dinners and jubilees while you drove your crappy dodge full of non organic groceries from food savers. I see. So you do not understand capitalism and how the free market works..... Cheers, Badeskov 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S2F Posted December 9, 2014 #11 Share Posted December 9, 2014 (edited) In an effort to not let this thread devolve into arguing about the ETH (unfortunately it's inevitable) I'll just say simply that no, I don't believe. The evidence just isn't strong enough to support visitation. ETA: I'm not opposed to the idea of visitation, for all I know it's possible. I just need to see something rather profound in support of it. Edited December 9, 2014 by S2F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Terreur Posted December 9, 2014 #12 Share Posted December 9, 2014 I believe in the possibility of non-terrestrial life in the universe. I once saw what i would call a UFO, together with 4 other People. Do i make a connection between the two? No. I find it more plausible that UFO-/ET sightings are a psychological phenomenon, than them being real nut-and-bolt alien spacecraft, mysteriously visiting us. I think if that was the case, we would have gotten hold of a piece of physical evidence by now.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted December 9, 2014 #13 Share Posted December 9, 2014 I can almost 100% guarantee that if aliens were reveled as being real, soon 25%+ of the human race would be cultishly following them and emulating them. Their "enlightened" philosophies, and education, and logical statements, would be lapped up by billions. And of the rest of the 75% of humanity, 70% wouldn't care unless it interrupted the Football or American Idol and the last 4.9% would be going "well we bloody well told you they existed" and 0.1% would be driving the aliens away by constantly bombarding them with questions about probing, Roswell and Puma Punka* * which reminds me of a gag in season 1 of Babylon 5 where the Circuit Justice on the Station had to arbitrate over a case of alien abduction going back to the 20th century between a human and a grey (the ONLY time a "Grey" ever turned up in B5 incidentally). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growl Posted December 9, 2014 #14 Share Posted December 9, 2014 I have to go to the gym, please see ... This is a good discussion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starhunter Posted December 9, 2014 #15 Share Posted December 9, 2014 I was not looking for 'aliens' or UFO's. But I had another quest about the nature of matter, and turned every page to find out more. I was curious about the pioneers of science how they came to their conclusions, how electro magnetism was discovered, etc In the process I found a split in science around the early 1800's, and wondered why only one part of science remained pursued by the populace. I studied all forms of ancient science, occult science, esoteric knowledge, secret societies, religions, alchemy, etc when I discovered facts about matter which explained the building abilities of the those who made the pyramids and megaliths. I wondered what would happen if they tried that technology on plants or living beings, and was shocked and disappointed that the practice of changing life forms and breeding under special conditions, had been so in ancient cultures. I was able to draw parallels with modern experiments, and studied UFO sightings and rumors of course. It became very apparent what was genuine, and it gave me the abilities to predict results and findings of certain cases where people claimed sightings and or abduction. That's part of the story anyhow, so for me it's not a case of believing but seeing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted December 9, 2014 #16 Share Posted December 9, 2014 It is entertaining to consider the possibility, but the paucity of hard evidence does not lend itself well to inspiring belief. Earth is a tiny rock in a tiny solar system on the outer fringes of a gigantic galaxy in an immense universe containing billions of galaxies. We are little nobodies living way out in the piney woods, lost and overlooked in a forest of stars. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qxcontinuum Posted December 9, 2014 #17 Share Posted December 9, 2014 (edited) I see. So you do not understand capitalism and how the free market works..... Cheers, Badeskov Free market? Gad you've been brainwashed ... Edited December 9, 2014 by qxcontinuum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted December 9, 2014 #18 Share Posted December 9, 2014 hmmmm either extra terrestrials have visited and left or extra terrestrials never been here ~ come to think of it ~ it makes no difference one way or the other ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Occult1 Posted December 10, 2014 #19 Share Posted December 10, 2014 (edited) hmmmm either extra terrestrials have visited and left or extra terrestrials never been here ~ come to think of it ~ it makes no difference one way or the other ~ They could still be here monitoring us, we wouldn't know much about it. If one accept the possibility that UFO sightings and claims alien abductions holds something more than hallucinations, hoaxes and misinterpretations of natural phenomena then the idea shouldn't be dismissed. Humanity is so young, the Earth a kindergarten put on the Universe's time scale, I simply can't shake the feeling that it would be misplaced pride to think that we, as living beings, are the apex of the Universe or reality for that matter. Edited December 10, 2014 by sam_comm 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted December 10, 2014 #20 Share Posted December 10, 2014 I simply can't shake the feeling that it would be misplaced pride to think that we, as living beings, are the apex of the Universe or reality for that matter. Or how people say, "That technology is not possible", such as gravity manipulation, because WE don't have it. Like what we have technologically right now is what we basically are going to have a billion years from now, just more refined. That seems naive to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DONTEATUS Posted December 10, 2014 #21 Share Posted December 10, 2014 I seent ! I believe, just cant prove it, Dont Have too either. Its my Treat ! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Careful_perspective Posted December 10, 2014 #22 Share Posted December 10, 2014 (edited) I believe, even though I have not personally seen anything. I don't think they visit us as often as the reports would have you believe. Another thing I believe is the amount of UFO "sightings" will increase with the emergence of drones and the fact more civilians will own them. Edited December 10, 2014 by woodsbooger 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rrk Posted December 10, 2014 #23 Share Posted December 10, 2014 I'm not sure if I believe due to the lack of any concrete evidence that will stand up to scrutiny. There is so much we don't know regarding space travel, things like worm holes and space warp. Then there is other total unknowns such as time travel and other dimensions that may co-exist along with ours. Humans have a lot too learn and in the meantime I personally just try to keep an open mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweetpumper Posted December 10, 2014 #24 Share Posted December 10, 2014 I seent ! I believe, just cant prove it, Dont Have too either. Its my Treat ! Seen it, just not sure what the hell these things are. Don't necessarily believe they're alien, just think we're being kept out of the loop by those with the power to hide what they want to be hidden. Our government's military power, their government's military power, or something else completely. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badeskov Posted December 10, 2014 #25 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Free market? Gad you've been brainwashed ... Thank you for emphasizing that you do not understand how the free market works, you have obviously never dealt in or wit it. Cheers, Badeskov Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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