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#1    Erikl

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Posted 21 November 2004 - 10:39 PM

France: Hizbullah TV allowed to stay on air

By JOSEPH NASR


In a move that angered French Jews, the French broadcasting authority (CSA) announced on its Web site Friday that it has finalized an agreement with Hizbullah's Al-Manar television, allowing the controversial anti-Israel broadcaster to stay on the airwaves in France.

The CSA had threatened to ban Al-Manar from broadcasting in France following an advisory sent by the French Interior Ministry on July 12 recommending that Al-Manar's transmission via the Paris-based satellite operator Eutelsat be "immediately terminated" because of its anti-Semitic content.

The French government made the recommendation after members of the Council of Jewish Organization in France (CRIF) expressed outrage at a series of anti-Semitic programs broadcast through Europe by the Beirut-based television channel.

On Tuesday representatives of Al-Manar in France were given a license they had requested to continue broadcasting in France and other parts of Europe.

In January 2003, over Ramadan, Al-Manar broadcast Al-Shatat ("The Diaspora"), which portrayed the history of Jews and Zionism from 1812 to 1948.

Based on the The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, the Syrian-produced program alludes to a Talmud-inspired Jewish conspiracy for world domination, and shows, among other incitement-charged scenes, a group of Jews, acting on the orders of a rabbi, killing a Christian toddler to use his blood in baking matzot for Pessah.

CSA director Dominique Baudis, in a letter issued with the license, warned that the license will be considered violated if Al-Manar broadcasts hate messages as it has in the past.

Baudis noted that some Al-Manar programming "depicts violence toward civilian populations in a favorable light" and could incite hatred among religious or national groups and "bring trouble to the public order."
Some scenes broadcast by Al-Manar "make use of children to serve political propaganda which violates article 2-4" of the license, read Baudis letter.

"Your signature of this license implies, therefore, that you will formally renounce the broadcast of programs of this nature on the satellite, which comes under French law," he said.

Al-Manar, which signed the license Friday, issued a statement saying "it has no problem with French laws and is ready to abide by the legal requirements to broadcast on French airwaves."

In the statement Al-Manar accused the "Zionist entity" of unsuccessfully attempting to silence the "voice of the Lebanese resistance" and provoke the French and other Europeans against Al-Manar.

Representatives of Jewish organizations in France were outraged by the agreement.

"This is very serious for France's Jewish community... these terrorists are used to the worst kind of lies," said Roger Cukierman, CRIF president. "These are people we should not be dealing with."

"I feel that the attitude of the French government in this affair is distressing," he added.

"We are scandalized by the total redirection in the position of the CSA."

AP contributed to this report.

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France's support for terrorist jihadist organizations will eventually fire back... but for now, when the jihadists harresing jews, they don't mind... with a 10-15% of it's population muslim, France should watch out... for they day that they will let go of the Jews and start hurting non-Jewish french is near.
Like the old saying goes:

"First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me."


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Posted 22 November 2004 - 12:49 AM

I am dismayed that France have allowed this to continue, the mind boggles!  However Erikl I am suprised at you for saying:

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France should watch out... for they day that they will let go of the Jews and start hurting non-Jewish french is near.


You sound nearly as bad as them.

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Posted 22 November 2004 - 01:17 AM

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France should watch out... for they day that they will let go of the Jews and start hurting non-Jewish french is near.



You sound nearly as bad as them.


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Posted 22 November 2004 - 10:01 AM

Lottie, I'm afraid you misunderstood me.
I was merely saying that if the French won't take care of their radical muslims now, when they are harrasing Jews (which are a minority in France), when the muslim population will grow (and it will) to some 30% of the population, they will stop harrasing Jews alone and start harrasing non-Jewish french as well.
Look at the Netherlands for a present example - the radical muslims there harrased Jews for some years now, but now that they've become large enough portion of the dutch population, the radicals among them have declared Jihad against the non-muslim Dutch population.

It is very easy to harras a minortiy, but France should see this as a sign - fanatcs who harras a minority will later harras the entire population.

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Posted 22 November 2004 - 01:46 PM

They don't choose to see Erikl. It is easier to hold your head in the sand.

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Posted 22 November 2004 - 02:03 PM

Erikl.

Whilst i understand your opinion , it is a free  democratic country.

Freedom of speech .

NOw as long as their channel is moderated and they dont cross the line they are allowed their say.

Wether we agree or not is irrelevant.

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Posted 22 November 2004 - 02:46 PM

The statement that stands out to me is:

"Baundis noted that some Al-Manor programming "depicts violence toward civilian populations in a favorable light" and could incite hatred among religious or national groups and "bring trouble to the to the public order".

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Posted 22 November 2004 - 02:49 PM

Like i said if its moderated then and doesnt cross the line then they have freedom of speech

plus the sentence you quoted doesnt actually say that the channel condones it.

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Posted 22 November 2004 - 03:09 PM

Wun, racism should be banned, especially when we know what happened so recently when racism against Jews was enabled in Europe.
I see no real difference between radical muslims who attack Jews and Neo-Nazis who attack them. The only difference is that the Nazis had much more power and so were able to do much more damage. Why should immigrants be able to start harrasing long-term dwellers of the country they chose to immigrate to?
Is there a french word for "Chuzpa"?

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Posted 22 November 2004 - 03:20 PM

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Wun, racism should be banned, especially when we know what happened so recently when racism against Jews was enabled in Europe.


Some would claim what you said in the other thread about fear of France bcoming a Muslim state is racist though.

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Posted 22 November 2004 - 03:21 PM

erikl when you start removing free speech , your country no longer becomes a democracy.

Like i said , you remove their free speech and they win.

There should be limits to what they can and cant say hoever.

As much as i dont like the BNP they have a right to spout their illeducated rants.

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Posted 22 November 2004 - 03:25 PM

I don't think so Talon, because:
A. This is a fact if you take into account the demographics and lack of integration of the muslim immigrants.
B. I did say that Germany and UK, even though both have a big muslim population, are in a better position because their muslims aren't as radical as French muslims, thus rendering my critcism to radical muslims, not muslim in general.
C. If the muslim immigratns would have integrated into French population, there would have been no problem. But the fact is that they don't integrate and thus they do comprise a different "nation" inside the french one, thus making a bi-national France a feasible and unescapable futue.

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Posted 22 November 2004 - 03:26 PM

Doesn't matter how you reached your conclusion, there are still some who would claim its racist.

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Posted 22 November 2004 - 03:27 PM

Wun, there is also the principle of democracy in defense.
Democracy can and should defend on itself from non-democratic forces who try to undermine it.
Like Germany bans Nazis and all that is related to them. Would you consider Germany to be a democracy?

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Posted 22 November 2004 - 03:27 PM

I don't know, Talon, that's a pretty far stretch. I understand what you're saying and I understand what wun is saying and normally I would, completely, agree...but these aren't normal times and I see this thing getting completely out of hand. War starts in men's minds.

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