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#1    DC09

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Posted 30 November 2004 - 12:35 AM

With a Koran in one hand and pistol in the other, the British rapper calls for the murder of non-Muslims, including several world leaders, on a videotape.

The video is well known in one London mosque, whose imam — or leader — is accused of setting up a terrorist training camp in Oregon and whose followers don't like Western media.

Abu Hamza, who lost two hands and an eye in Afghanistan, is in jail now but other extremists from among Britain's two million Muslims continue to preach violence, veiling the message to take advantage of some of Europe's most liberal freedom-of-speech laws.

"We cannot tolerate a crocodile in our bedroom," said Sheik Omar Bakri. "U.S. forces in Muslim countries are crocodiles in our bedrooms. So we are not going to give them ice cream."

Bakri says the terrorists who staged the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the United States are magnificent and Westerners in Arab lands need to be killed by any means necessary. He makes the threats with a smile.

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Posted 30 November 2004 - 03:32 AM

"A crocodile in our bedroom?" That's one of the oddest metaphors I've ever heard.

It always makes my blood boil to see people like this enjoy the protection of civil liberties that they themselves would destroy if given their way.

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Posted 30 November 2004 - 04:54 AM

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So we are not going to give them ice cream."



Crocodiles don't eat icecream dick!
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Posted 30 November 2004 - 05:51 AM

It's nothing ne Baaaaaaaaaby

In the Islamic countries Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, Indonesia, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, and Sudan, a whole generation of Muslims have been trained and indoctrinated to hate non-Muslim countries including the United States Israel,and Europe.  Their main objective is to conquer them by the same method the prophet of Islam, Mohammed, did in the seventh century by infiltration and creating fears so that they could move in and conquer with the help of Allah devil.gif .  They rely on the following Koranic verses:

“Fight and slay the Pagans (non-Muslims) wherever you find them.” (Surah 9:5)

“If anyone desires a religion other than Islam, never will it be accepted of him, and in the hereafter he will be in the ranks who have lost.” (Surah 3:85)

“Fight those who believe not in Allah devil.gif , nor the last day, nor acknowledge the religion of truth, and fight people of the book (Christians and Jews) until they pay Jiza (penalty tax) with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” (Surah 9:29)

“Strike terror into the hearts of the enemies of Allah devil.gif  and your enemies.” (Surah 8:60)

“Ye who believe! Take not the Jews And the Christians for your friends and protectors:  They are but friends and protectors To each other.  And he Amongst you that turns to them (For Friendship) is one of them.  Verily Allah devil.gif  guideth not A people unjust.” (Surah 5:56)





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Posted 30 November 2004 - 07:29 AM

but we got the bomb! tongue.gif


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Posted 30 November 2004 - 07:36 AM

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In the Islamic countries Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, Indonesia, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, and Sudan, a whole generation of Muslims have been trained and indoctrinated to hate non-Muslim countries including the United States Israel,and Europe.

I dont know about all those countries that you are so keen on generalizing about, but as far as Iran is concerened, the above statement is nonsense! I dont know how much time you have spent with university students in Iran for example, or used any other means except your local evening news to get to know a society, but I can tell you that you're very badly mistaken, and before you spread ignorance and thereby unnecessary hatred of people you dont even know, I suggest you go beyond the local tv for information! The very fact that you've put so many different countries in one catagory is a good witness to what I'm saying!
Oh and by the way, to understand properly those Koranic verses that you quote, you need to see Islam not through the eyes of the people you are trying to condemn, but by using your own intelligence devil.gif


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Posted 30 November 2004 - 07:49 AM

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Abu Hamza, who lost two hands and an eye in Afghanistan, is in jail now but other extremists from among Britain's two million Muslims continue to preach violence, veiling the message to take advantage of some of Europe's most liberal freedom-of-speech laws

Preaching violence has absolutely nothing Islamic about it! This phenomena has to be considered in a European context, since this is where it's taking place! You dont need a Ph.D in sociology to know that being subject to blind racisme and living on the margines of societies, are major factors in the fabrication of fanatics and extremists of all sorts sad.gif



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Posted 30 November 2004 - 08:01 AM

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"We cannot tolerate a crocodile in our bedroom," said Sheik Omar Bakri. "U.S. forces in Muslim countries are crocodiles in our bedrooms. So we are not going to give them ice cream

The Sheikh has overlooked the simple fact that 'local crocodiles' such as the lunatic Saddam have killed more Muslims throughout history than the 'infidels' coming from elsewhere! Or maybe he thinks that the massacres commited by the Taliban in Afghanistan ( a Muslim country, need I remind the Sheikh), dont matter at all in the eyes of Allah! Maybe if he had condemned those horrors committed by the 'local crocodiles' at the time, he wouldnt have to eat his ice cream all alone now, and could share it with the Americans rolleyes.gif


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Posted 30 November 2004 - 09:55 AM

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I dont know about all those countries that you are so keen on generalizing about, but as far as Iran is concerened, the above statement is nonsense! I dont know how much time you have spent with university students in Iran for example, or used any other means except your local evening news to get to know a society, but I can tell you that you're very badly mistaken, and before you spread ignorance and thereby unnecessary hatred of people you dont even know, I suggest you go beyond the local tv for information! The very fact that you've put so many different countries in one catagory is a good witness to what I'm saying!

Oh pleeeaaaassseeee!
Iran is the worst!
Should I even start listing the level of hatred towards the west?
Khumeinistic Iran is an exellent example of what happens when radical muslims take over a country.

I mean - my god people - they even have suicide bomber squad in their military! wacko.gif blink.gif

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Posted 30 November 2004 - 09:58 AM

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but we got the bomb!

Wouldn't do any good though.
If an Al-Qaeda terrorist blows up a nuke in the middle of London or Berlin, for example, who you gonna attack with nukes?
He wasn't a soldier of any country, and for all you know he could of got that nuke from a black market in Minsk or Moldovia tongue.gif.

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Posted 30 November 2004 - 10:57 AM

the Bomb knows all!  laugh.gif


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Posted 30 November 2004 - 12:19 PM

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Iran is the worst!
Should I even start listing the level of hatred towards the west?

Put your money where your mouth is and start doing so by all means grin2.gif
But please, dont deceive me by repeating the now outdated and poisonous propaganda that has been so successful in the unfortunate brain-washing of so many good people, because I really have my ears full of that and am in dire need of hearing something new for a change whistling2.gif


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Posted 30 November 2004 - 12:53 PM

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Put your money where your mouth is and start doing so by all means grin2.gif
But please, dont deceive me by repeating the now outdated and poisonous propaganda that has been so successful in the unfortunate brain-washing of so many good people, because I really have my ears full of that and am in dire need of hearing something new for a change

Zephyr, do you deny that youre government, since the 1979 revolution, incite against the US and other "infidels"?

God I wish the Iranian people will get sane soon and over throw those maniac religious nuts who rule them, before they get nukes.

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Posted 30 November 2004 - 01:59 PM

The government of Iran has sponsored terrorism in the past, and continues to do so today. There seems to be a lot of dissatisfaction among some younger Iranians with their leadership, and a desire for democratic reform. I don't know how widespread the desire for a change of government is. There were some big anti-government protests there in the past coulpe years; there were also the usual "death to America/the U.K./the West" rallies. The country seems divided among conservative reactionaries and reformers.

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Posted 30 November 2004 - 02:12 PM

QUOTE(Erikl @ Nov 30 2004, 05:23 PM)
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Put your money where your mouth is and start doing so by all means grin2.gif
But please, dont deceive me by repeating the now outdated and poisonous propaganda that has been so successful in the unfortunate brain-washing of so many good people, because I really have my ears full of that and am in dire need of hearing something new for a change

Zephyr, do you deny that youre government, since the 1979 revolution, incite against the US and other "infidels"?

God I wish the Iranian people will get sane soon and over throw those maniac religious nuts who rule them, before they get nukes.

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Your statements over-simpify what is in reality a very global ( everyone having a hand in it), and therefore complicated situation! You are contradicting yourself when you talk about "my government"! And about 'inciting'; do you mean that the Iranian government has declared war on the US?

You mean we should make another revolution, just to make you guys happy? Being too emotional about a subject makes one say funny things laugh.gif






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