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Bernie Sanders & His War Against Supply and Demand

7/29/2015

By Chris Rossini

Vox ran an extensive interview with Presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders, and it's very concerning that a large number of Americans are buying what he's selling. Bernie likes to refer to himself as a "Democratic Socialist," which should be viewed as nothing more than trying to soften the ugliness of Socialism by throwing the word "Democratic" in front of it.

Regardless of what Sanders calls himself, this is not a man who believes in Liberty. After reading the interview, you can't help but come away without knowing that he does not believe in private property, voluntary exchange, individual responsibility, supply & demand, or even the proper definition of the word "right".

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Of course a website dedicated to a political rival is totally believable in this situation...

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Of course a website dedicated to a political rival is totally believable in this situation...

..."in this situation" ?

Just curious.... What don't you "believe" written in the article on Ron Paul website?

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Now saying that he doesnt believe in private property is kinda ridiculous what kind of propeganda is this. Way better choice than donald or hilary.

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Now saying that he doesnt believe in private property is kinda ridiculous what kind of propeganda is this.

Here's a clue: Taxation is theft

What's Bernies big plan for America?

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Bernie Sanders & His War Against Supply and Demand

7/29/2015

By Chris Rossini

Vox ran an extensive interview with Presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders, and it's very concerning that a large number of Americans are buying what he's selling. Bernie likes to refer to himself as a "Democratic Socialist," which should be viewed as nothing more than trying to soften the ugliness of Socialism by throwing the word "Democratic" in front of it.

Or perhaps trying to soften the ugliness of the word "Democrat" (in the American sense at least) by adding the word "socialist" to it ....
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..."in this situation" ?

Just curious.... What don't you "believe" written in the article on Ron Paul website?

Because that excerpt rather clearly suggests that the writer of the article (who we can presume is an official mouthpiece to promote the views of Mr. Paul) seems to regard every word he can find in the thesaurus associated with the word "socialism" (and if anyone believes for one moment that Bernie Sanders is anything of the kind, it should really disqualify their opinions from being taken seriously) as being designed to destroy everything that made America Great. In other words, it's as ridiculously biased as everything that's ever written in the world of American politics.
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And the law of supply and demand is one of the great unchallengeable laws of nature? It may be in theory, if you believe that Capitalism is the natural state of mankind, but what it is in practice is companies producing pointless stuff (both tangible items and software and TV shows etc) that people never knew they couldn't live without until the advertising industry told them that they did, isn't it. It completely inverts the principles of supply and demand, modern capitalism does.

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And the law of supply and demand is one of the great unchallengeable laws of nature? It may be in theory, if you believe that Capitalism is the natural state of mankind, but what it is in practice is companies producing pointless stuff (both tangible items and software and TV shows etc) that people never knew they couldn't live without until the advertising industry told them that they did, isn't it. It completely inverts the principles of supply and demand, modern capitalism does.

Can you think of a better alternative?

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Here's a clue: Taxation is theft

Why does the U.S. Constitution grant Congress the power to lay and collect taxes? Did its Framers not believe in private property?

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Why does the U.S. Constitution grant Congress the power to lay and collect taxes? Did its Framers not believe in private property?

They believed in private property much more then government does today. The idea of a income tax was tyranny to them. Today our income tax goes to pay interest to a private bank for making our own money. Illegally I might add, as the power to create money was put in the hands of congress. Not a private for profit central bank.

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Now obviously Id never be able to vote for Bernie, but I was starting to like him as a person. Some of his ideas I even liked. Like making it a priority to get out of NAFTA.

That was till I actually began to look at his voting record. The guy is a total war monger. Honestly I never saw that coming from listening to the guy

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Because that excerpt rather clearly suggests that the writer of the article (who we can presume is an official mouthpiece to promote the views of Mr. Paul) seems to regard every word he can find in the thesaurus associated with the word "socialism" (and if anyone believes for one moment that Bernie Sanders is anything of the kind, it should really disqualify their opinions from being taken seriously) as being designed to destroy everything that made America Great™. In other words, it's as ridiculously biased as everything that's ever written in the world of American politics.

Wait, you think BS isn't a socialist???

He himself would tell you he's a socialist.

But then, its pretty common on both sides to just attack the source without having to actually debate point by point. Even if the writer is biased, that in and of its self doesn't mean what he's saying isn't true. Some people become biased because of the truth.

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Bernie is not against "supply and demand" but is the only candidate against the "trickle down theory" or what should be called trickled on. If you look US societal changes over the last 40 years, the rich have gotten far richer and the poor even poorer. This is not because the poor are doing less or the rich doing more or even anything any better but simply because, in the US, the more money one has the more say they have in government policies.

I say, Go Bernie.

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here you can read where the "profit" of the FED went:

http://www.huffingto..._n_2884366.html

or to make it short: you would be paying even more taxes were it not for the "profit" of the FED.

My goodness Q. You really think continuing to inflate the dollar bubble is really gonna be profitable in the long term? Measuring this historically, we are already on a path of certain economic destruction. How would we be paying more taxes, without a income tax? And lets see, 88 billion dollar created outta thin air, minus, how much is the tax payer we still on the hook for cause they, NOT us, made bad investments?

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My goodness Q. You really think continuing to inflate the dollar bubble is really gonna be profitable in the long term? Measuring this historically, we are already on a path of certain economic destruction. How would we be paying more taxes, without a income tax? And lets see, 88 billion dollar created outta thin air, minus, how much is the tax payer we still on the hook for cause they, NOT us, made bad investments?

Not quite out of thin air, they lend money to banks, who in turn lend it to those who want to buy something (as saving is not quite the trend anymore), the bank gets interest and the Fed a cut of it. What is wrong with that? Or are you going to tell me that you switched to the socialists now?

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Bernie is not against "supply and demand" but is the only candidate against the "trickle down theory" or what should be called trickled on. If you look US societal changes over the last 40 years, the rich have gotten far richer and the poor even poorer. This is not because the poor are doing less or the rich doing more or even anything any better but simply because, in the US, the more money one has the more say they have in government policies.

I say, Go Bernie.

Its really because the government through insane trade agreements took millions of good paying jobs and shipped them over sea's. Now with TPP, its gonna get far worse.

As far as "go Bernie", go where? We couldn't even come close to affording this mans socialist dreams. Not only that, but he's more then happy to continue funding the war machine. I cant for the life of me explain it, but how is it dems don't care about war and the military industrial complex anymore?

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Damn evil socialism

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Not quite out of thin air, they lend money to banks, who in turn lend it to those who want to buy something (as saving is not quite the trend anymore), the bank gets interest and the Fed a cut of it. What is wrong with that? Or are you going to tell me that you switched to the socialists now?

How is it not quite out of thin air? One second the money isn't there, then with the stroke of some computer keys, it is. How does thinking/knowing that's a bad idea make me a socialist?

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More ramifications from the decline of America into socialism

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I know my previous posts were sarcastic , i spent MANY years eating and believing the right wing corporate propaganda regarding socialism. Hell ill bet ive probably got some long dead threads on here about how great George Bush is and how evil Al Gore is. Nothing is a greater teacher than life however. No Im not a democrat now, both sides are the exact same, only lip service separates them.

Study the facts with an open mind and your heart might just change.

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Federal government: Instead of "bringing in all kinds of people", or keeping them out with great walls of China, all you have to do is end your own incentive. Just get out of the way. As usual.

Then you can blame economic conditions, but whoops, you're also controlling wages, interest rates, money supplies, prices and values, banks and banksters, jobs and enemies. With a schizophrenic job description like that, we'll need a real reformer of one strain or the other to stop it. Our biggest problem right now is, all that crap is sanctified by us, the voters. We just question why the President isn't creating more jobs. Today's plastic conservatives and liberals.

Bernie Sanders is a different mix of good and bad and like all other candidates, he must be weighed both for both what he would do and what he would not do. If as President it'd be highly unlikely he'd pull off his socialist ideas, but also much more likely to wield the veto pen on other issues, then that's another mix of good and bad I'm not ready to write off exclusively. I can take someone who doesn't approve of our mistakes a lot more seriously than another status quo appeaser and excuse artist.

I share Bernie Sanders's idealism. My differences with Sanders are in the policy and the administration of said ideals.

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How is it not quite out of thin air? One second the money isn't there, then with the stroke of some computer keys, it is. How does thinking/knowing that's a bad idea make me a socialist?

The money that is there has a value depending on its availability (something Ron Paul has not yet learned despite his ripe age). The more money available, the less it is worth. On the other side if there is not enough money you kill the economic cycle because there will not be enough for all wares and services to be paid.

That task is way too sensitive to be run by politicians (imagine them printing money for their pork barrels... you probably could not even use a hundred bill as toilet paper), that is why any advanced country has an independent central bank (well, there is a central bank for 19 countries in Europe... also independent).

A business bank has two sources of funding: one the saver's money or two to get a loan from another bank. Given that in the US the savings per capita is around $5000 (making it #27 in the world) the banks would not even be able to give a mortgage to every 40th person (US average house price happens to be around $200k), never mind also financing cars and other durable goods.

So, the second possibility: get it from another bank. Problem there is that the other banks have the same problem as the first, they are also short on saver's money.

Now you say: the hell with it, no credits. Well then you will have to explain what you plan to do with 3/4 of the country unemployed until 1/4 saves up enough to not need any credits.

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The money that is there has a value depending on its availability (something Ron Paul has not yet learned despite his ripe age). The more money available, the less it is worth. On the other side if there is not enough money you kill the economic cycle because there will not be enough for all wares and services to be paid.

What did Ron Paul of all people say or not say to make you think that? Maybe you should read some books about the subject to find out what Ron Paul really learned after all these years. 'The Causes of the Economic Crisis' by Ludwig von Mises would be a good intermediate read on the subject. If you want something more basic, I can make recommendations.

Maybe since houses are so expensive, renegade home designers show people how to build high quality homes for cheap? If houses are too expensive and houses are in demand, let the market handle it. Let lending and supply correspond to demand, let the curves of these things flow harmoniously together, not the herkyjerk of the bureaucracy. Nobody can time the markets, not even the bureaucrats.

This shouldn't be in the hands of politicians and it shouldn't be in the hands of central bankers either. It should be in the hands of you and me, the market.

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