Baz Dane Posted February 3, 2016 #1 Share Posted February 3, 2016 - "Prosecutors at the Justice Department and managers in Hillary's presidential campaign tell ED KLEIN CONFIDENTIAL that the FBI has zeroed in on three people in Hillary's inner circle." - "These three -- Huma Abedin, Cheryl Mills and Jake Sullivan -- have been notified by the FBI that they should prepare to testify under oath about their involvement in the handling of classified national security secrets on Hillary's homebrew email system." - "I'm also told by my sources that as soon as the FBI got in touch with Abedin, Mills and Sullivan, all three of them lawyered up." http://www.newsmax.c...2/02/id/712399/ Perhaps things may start getting very interesting pretty soon? One thing I notice is everything has been about her "handling" of material and the way it was done etc. But I'm beginning to wonder about WHAT was on some of those emails? I wonder if that's a bigger crime, and we, the public, will never know anything about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted February 3, 2016 #2 Share Posted February 3, 2016 She'll just be pardoned by Obama. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astra. Posted February 3, 2016 #3 Share Posted February 3, 2016 (edited) She'll just be pardoned by Obama. You think ? I guess time will eventually tell. Mind you she certainly doesn't seem to perturbed in regards to this email scandal that surrounds her. Hell - she's a tough old bird - I'll give her that. I would have bowed out a long time ago - just out of sheer embarrassment. But then.. if she had quietly disappeared - it would seem like she's admitting guilt I guess. If she's been playing 'dumb' in regards to this - then she is doing a very good job. PS - have you been tuning into CNN Hats ? did you see Bill ? gosh! he looks like a shadow of a man now. But then it's no wonder I suppose - as it's pretty obvious who gets to wear the pants in that darn house. Edited February 3, 2016 by Astra. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Use your brain Posted February 3, 2016 #4 Share Posted February 3, 2016 (edited) Well her story was just completely stupid. According to her: No classified emails were on her home computer She didn't use her government computer She didn't use her government phone So how in the hell did she receive classified emails? Are we supposed to believe that she didn't receive or send one classified email while she was Secretary of State? What in the hell was she doing then? She should have had some smarter people come up with excuses for her and stuck to the script. I hope she gets prison time. Edited February 3, 2016 by Use your brain 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted February 3, 2016 #5 Share Posted February 3, 2016 You think ? I guess time will eventually tell. Mind you she certainly doesn't seem to perturbed in regards to this email scandal that surrounds her. Hell - she's a tough old bird - I'll give her that. I would have bowed out a long time ago - just out of sheer embarrassment. But then.. if she had quietly disappeared - it would seem like she's admitting guilt I guess. If she's been playing 'dumb' in regards to this - then she is doing a very good job. PS - have you been tuning into CNN Hats ? did you see Bill ? gosh! he looks like a shadow of a man now. But then it's no wonder I suppose - as it's pretty obvious who gets to wear the pants in that darn house. I read somewhere that Bill wants nothing more then to be "Grandpa Bill" and is supporting Hillary out of duty rather than desire. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranormalcy Posted February 3, 2016 #6 Share Posted February 3, 2016 This just isn't going to happen. In a large way, I don't care, because I don't expect she has done anything worse than any othe official has in the past, and not as BADLY as some officials did with more important matters, so to me, this is a non-issue (in the context of other "mistakes" of other officials). However, I do agree that objectively, ANYONE accused or essentially known to be at least partially guilty of a serious charge, SHOULD be investigated and indicted, whether its for this or launching illegal wars and invading other countries or committing war crimes by torturing POWs or whatever. But the fact is, its still the establishment and the rich and they don't "do guilt" or punishment. People say Bernie supporters are delusional - thinking Clinton is going to go down for any of this is pretty fanciful. Also I would like to see Bernie and the People win fair and square against Clinton and not be the defacto candidate because she gets taken out of the running by something like this, though it would be fascinating to see the backlash as the DNC tried to put a NEW candidate in to take over and oppose Bernie, either a Dem or an Independent or both. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astra. Posted February 3, 2016 #7 Share Posted February 3, 2016 I read somewhere that Bill wants nothing more then to be "Grandpa Bill" and is supporting Hillary out of duty rather than desire. Well old Hill has had old Bill on a very short lead since the past scandals that surrounded him. Even so - that's nice he just wants to be a Grandpa whilst also supporting her ...has he really got a choice ? I do have to say tho - is that this pair seem to have more lives than a couple of cats when it comes to scandals and what they seem to get away with. Anyway's I'm sort of going a bit off topic here where her devoted husband is concerned - so I shall now hush up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merc14 Posted February 3, 2016 #8 Share Posted February 3, 2016 (edited) 22 new Top Secret messages, some of which are above Top Secret and yes, some of these did divulge HUMINT sources, collection methods. Serious stuff and something even a neophyte would recognize as very sensitive info. http://www.washingto...article/2582306 This just isn't going to happen. In a large way, I don't care, because I don't expect she has done anything worse than any othe official has in the past, and not as BADLY as some officials did with more important matters, so to me, this is a non-issue (in the context of other "mistakes" of other officials). Please name one that wasn't indicted. However, I do agree that objectively, ANYONE accused or essentially known to be at least partially guilty of a serious charge, SHOULD be investigated and indicted, whether its for this or launching illegal wars and invading other countries or committing war crimes by torturing POWs or whatever. But the fact is, its still the establishment and the rich and they don't "do guilt" or punishment. People say Bernie supporters are delusional - thinking Clinton is going to go down for any of this is pretty fanciful. You don't seem to comprehend that this is NOT a republican witch hunt, this is a felony being investigated by the FBI. It has nothing at al to do with politics and it is now known that she has most definitely put HUMINT lives at risk. Also I would like to see Bernie and the People win fair and square against Clinton and not be the defacto candidate because she gets taken out of the running by something like this, though it would be fascinating to see the backlash as the DNC tried to put a NEW candidate in to take over and oppose Bernie, either a Dem or an Independent or both. Bernie isn't going to win so get over it. Get used to Joe Biden if the FBI isn't blocked by the Attorney General which may very well be the case. Edited February 3, 2016 by Merc14 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Grey Posted February 3, 2016 #9 Share Posted February 3, 2016 You don't seem to comprehend that this is NOT a republican witch hunt, this is a felony being investigated by the FBI. It has nothing at all to do with politics and it is now known that she has most definitely put HUMINT lives at risk. Democrats (not trying to pin down your political affiliation, Paranormalcy,) seem completely unaware of how serious this is, whether by choice or just lack of current information. Merc is on point: this is not some "political witch hunt" as other members here have stated, it's an investigation being conducted by the Federal Bureau of Investigations - ala, this is serious s***. Initially it was conducted by a smaller organization tasked with getting to the bottom of Shillary's email server conundrum, but since has exploded with the revelations of what was on those emails. Particularly as it relates to Americans being willfully left to die in Benghazi. Hillary and her cronies can downplay this all they want but the FBI clearly means business. That should tell you all you need to know about this "political witch hunt". 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted February 3, 2016 #10 Share Posted February 3, 2016 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merc14 Posted February 3, 2016 #11 Share Posted February 3, 2016 You think ? I guess time will eventually tell. Mind you she certainly doesn't seem to perturbed in regards to this email scandal that surrounds her. Hell - she's a tough old bird - I'll give her that. I would have bowed out a long time ago - just out of sheer embarrassment. But then.. if she had quietly disappeared - it would seem like she's admitting guilt I guess. If she's been playing 'dumb' in regards to this - then she is doing a very good job. PS - have you been tuning into CNN Hats ? did you see Bill ? gosh! he looks like a shadow of a man now. But then it's no wonder I suppose - as it's pretty obvious who gets to wear the pants in that darn house. They are laughing it off it seems so maybe the fix is in with the Obama White House. There are very large ramifications, however, with the DoJ just burying these crimes and it may affect Obama's legacy, such as it is, which would seem to be of paramount importance to the man. Possibly they are waiting to see what teh FBI actually does when Lynch says special investigator or simply refuses to prosecute. It will be interesting to watch 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranormalcy Posted February 4, 2016 #12 Share Posted February 4, 2016 I didn't say it was a Republican witch hunt, I said she's not going to be held accountable. Nixon, General Patreus, Karl Rove, Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld, none of them were held responsible for documented, illegal things. Agencies simply don't do anything, Presidents pardon the guilty, whatever. Washington and the denizens of the stronghold of esablishment and key roles simply don't pay, regardless of their party. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merc14 Posted February 4, 2016 #13 Share Posted February 4, 2016 I didn't say it was a Republican witch hunt, I said she's not going to be held accountable. Nixon, General Patreus, Karl Rove, Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld, none of them were held responsible for documented, illegal things. Agencies simply don't do anything, Presidents pardon the guilty, whatever. Washington and the denizens of the stronghold of esablishment and key roles simply don't pay, regardless of their party. You really have no idea what you are talking about. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astra. Posted February 4, 2016 #14 Share Posted February 4, 2016 (edited) They are laughing it off it seems so maybe the fix is in with the Obama White House. There are very large ramifications, however, with the DoJ just burying these crimes and it may affect Obama's legacy, such as it is, which would seem to be of paramount importance to the man. Possibly they are waiting to see what teh FBI actually does when Lynch says special investigator or simply refuses to prosecute. It will be interesting to watch What I don't understand is Hillary is well and truly on her campaign trail now - and so far nothing has been done to indict the woman in relation to this serious matter. It seems that the FBI want this Hillary / email saga brought to ahead in one way or another - but there seems to be 'walls' put up by those who are trying to 'protect' her from the normal flow of justice (or maybe I'm just assuming as much) ? Since Obama's presidency is nearing to an end - I'm sure he wants his legacy (or at least part there of) seen and left in a positive light. Even so - if he does pardon her before he leaves office - there will still remain the many unanswered questions during her tenure as SOS where she still violated government policies and protocol. 'If 'this pardon were to happen - I wonder how the voters and the general public would feel or react ? Idk - it seems like time is more of the essence here - as in..... Obama leaving office soon and will he pardon her -- meanwhile.. Hillary on the campaign trail wanting the US Presidential Throne -- the FBI breathing down her neck -- and the ramifications that may follow if the DoJ bury these crimes. Lots of political smoke and mirrors going on here I think. This could someday be made into a movie - and your not wrong - it will be very interesting to watch and see how things unfold. Edited February 4, 2016 by Astra. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astra. Posted February 4, 2016 #15 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Democrats (not trying to pin down your political affiliation, Paranormalcy,) seem completely unaware of how serious this is, whether by choice or just lack of current information. Merc is on point: this is not some "political witch hunt" as other members here have stated, it's an investigation being conducted by the Federal Bureau of Investigations - ala, this is serious s***. Initially it was conducted by a smaller organization tasked with getting to the bottom of Shillary's email server conundrum, but since has exploded with the revelations of what was on those emails. Particularly as it relates to Americans being willfully left to die in Benghazi. Hillary and her cronies can downplay this all they want but the FBI clearly means business. That should tell you all you need to know about this "political witch hunt". If she happens to get indicted whilst campaigning would she have to quit running ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromdor Posted February 4, 2016 #16 Share Posted February 4, 2016 That's the sad thing. She could be a convicted felon and in jail and still be president. The constitution doesn't have any restrictions against criminals becoming president. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
questionmark Posted February 4, 2016 #17 Share Posted February 4, 2016 well, looks like it will by bi-partisan: Former Republican Secretary of State Powell got classified data on personal email account Former Secretary of State Colin Powell and aides to his successor Condoleezza Rice both received classified emails on personal email accounts, the top Democrat on a key congressional oversight panel said on Thursday. Read more 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Grey Posted February 4, 2016 #18 Share Posted February 4, 2016 well, looks like it will by bi-partisan: Oh, well if Colin Powell did it it must be OK! What is this, grade 5? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavenHawk Posted February 4, 2016 #19 Share Posted February 4, 2016 well, looks like it will by bi-partisan: I was wondering when something like this would have popped up. In my opinion, they all need to face investigation. There is no excuse. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merc14 Posted February 4, 2016 #20 Share Posted February 4, 2016 well, looks like it will by bi-partisan: At least you learned something and changed tack on how you try and prove Queen Hillary innocent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astra. Posted February 4, 2016 #21 Share Posted February 4, 2016 If she happens to get indicted whilst campaigning would she have to quit running ? So I ask you one lousy question DG ^ - and you didn't even have the courtesy to respond ? How utterly ignorant..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merc14 Posted February 4, 2016 #22 Share Posted February 4, 2016 (edited) Apparently the FBI is not briefing the White House about the investigation and hasn't presented their case to the Attorney General so they don't know the facts http://thehill.com/p...n-investigation So I ask you one lousy question DG ^ - and you didn't even have the courtesy to respond ? How utterly ignorant..... Given the time frame, the nature of the charges and the person they'd be indicting I think it would be nearly impossible to prosecute and convict her before the election so it is a moot point in this case. As Gromdor said, there is nothing in the constitution restricting her from holding office but she couldn't have a clearance. The sad part is that there are plenty of democrats that would vote for her regardless of her crimes, just look at some of the posters on these threads.. Edited February 4, 2016 by Merc14 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astra. Posted February 4, 2016 #23 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Anyway's in answer to my own question - which allowed for a clearer perspective - I stumbled upon this article. http://www.dailymail...-trust-her.html 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astra. Posted February 5, 2016 #24 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Given the time frame, the nature of the charges and the person they'd be indicting I think it would be nearly impossible to prosecute and convict her before the election so it is a moot point in this case. As Gromdor said, there is nothing in the constitution restricting her from holding office but she couldn't have a clearance. The sad part is that there are plenty of democrats that would vote for her regardless of her crimes, just look at some of the posters on these threads.. Thank you Merc.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
questionmark Posted February 5, 2016 #25 Share Posted February 5, 2016 At least you learned something and changed tack on how you try and prove Queen Hillary innocent. I never said she was innocent, I said the way you presented charges she would be acquitted, which is not the same. And having some hi level Reps in it too makes it even likelier now. So hope that the Dems vote in Bernie... 'cause I fail to see a Rep who could beat her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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