Baz Dane Posted February 5, 2016 #1 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Alrite... grab some popcorn, have a seat and brace yourself for ride down the rabbit hole... Unless you're a Hillary fan... then you should leave right now. Considering we, the public, will never know the contents of all of Hillary Clinton's emails, we can never be sure of what she was really doing during her time as Secretary Of State. I put this in the Conspiracy section, as I am going to speculate what the real story is. I am quite sure that even if she does get indicted(and pardoned on top of it?) I'm pretty sure it will be for the "small potatos" stuff that we, the public, already have access to, but the true "dark secrets" will remain hidden. I'm going to try and put it into a somewhat timeline perspective and perhaps we can get a better understanding of what the real deal is. I'll summerize first, and tell you what it looks like to me in an overall sense... I'm thinking that when Clinton was assigned to Secretary Of State, her mandate was to oust Gaddafi, and further the "Arab Spring" to Syria to oust Assad. She then set up her own private "C.I.A."(Clinton Intelligence Agency) with loyal Clinton-lifer, Sydney Blumenthal and ex C.I.A. agent Tyler Drumheller, who by this time was already running his own "Intelligence" networks, that also employed ex C.I.A. agents, politico types, Media experts etc. The very existence of such an operation needed to be kept secret of course, which led to 2 very unique things happening... 1 - A top Cabinet member(Clinton) exclusively using a private server for communications... for now obvious reasons. 2 - For the first time, the State Department(and the President) did not assign an Inspector General to the State Department for Clinton's entire term in Office. Had there of been an Inspector General, the private server problem may have come up much sooner, which only shines more light on the intent behind it all IMO. In Early March 2011, President Obama signed a "finding" authorizing secret U.S. support for "rebels" who were against Gaddafi. Eventually, after Gaddafi's demise, his weapons' stockpiles started making their way out of Libya and into other countries, including Syria(through Turkey). Those weapons, including hand held SA-7's that could bring down Assads helicoptors, came from Banghazi and were being run and orchestrated by the secret(at the time) C.I.A. annex. Christopher Stevens was sent there to be Ambassador to the Libyan "rebels". In reality, it looks more like the "consulate" was a front to cover for what the C.I.A. was doing from their compound only about a mile away. Moving weapons. I believe that Blumenthal, getting most of his information from Drumheller, was feeding that information to Clinton on her private server, and she was selectively sending what she wanted up the chain in order the achieve her own agenda's goals. Whether Ambassador Stevens knew about the weapons being shipped out, was part of it, or against it, I can not say. I do have a feeling that he paid the price because of the weapons flow though. I believe the number of emails on the server was a little over 60,000 emails, and Clinton and her team destroyed over 30,000 of them claiming they were of a personal nature, and not "Official" related. I believe the reason for the destruction of the emails is because they would show that the State Department, in conjunction with the C.I.A. and others, created, or continued at the least, the "Arab Spring" that led to the fall of Gaddafi that allowed a huge number a weapons, and heavy weapons to flow freely out of Libya and into Syria and other countries including Iraq. This in turn helped to feed the monster that was already in the works called ISIS, which I believe they at the State Dept etc, knew about and still went ahead in helping them in an attempt to overthrow Assad. I think it could be that the "rebels" in Benghazi were more than a little miffed at the U.S.(the local C.I.A. and State Dept outposts) for sending all those weapons out of Lybia and this is the reason for the attack on the "consulate"? These may be the real secrets behind the email scandal and why they're being kept hidden. And not easily, nor properly being released... From Jan. 7, 2016... - "Hillary Clinton’s office received 240 requests under the Freedom of Information Act during her time as secretary of state, but only three of those requests received responses within the legally required timeframe, according to government watchdogs." - "Of those requests, 177 are still pending, according to a report released on Thursday by the State Department’s inspector general. State took more than 500 days to respond to 55 of those requests, even though federal officials are required to respond within 20 business days." http://freebeacon.com/issues/report-clinton-foias-inaccurate-incomplete-delayed-for-years/ Talk about skirting the rules Anyways, that's a huge summary with plenty to speculate on, mixed in with plenty of fact... and IMO the facts reinforce the speculation. Where to begin??? Let's start here... From March 30, 2011 - "President Barack Obama has signed a secret order authorizing covert U.S. government support for rebel forces seeking to oust Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, government officials told Reuters on Wednesday." - "Such findings are a principal form of presidential directive used to authorize secret operations by the Central Intelligence Agency." http://www.reuters.com/article/us-libya-usa-order-idUSTRE72T6H220110330 Howard J. Krongard, Inspector General from 2005 to 2008, says everything was all premeditated and the State Department is lying... - "'This was all planned in advance'". - "The Harvard-educated lawyer points out that, from Day One, Clinton was never assigned and never used a state.gov e-mail address like previous secretaries." - "'That’s a change in the standard. It tells me that this was premeditated. And this eliminates claims by the State Department that they were unaware of her private e-mail server until later,' Krongard said in an exclusive interview. 'How else was she supposed to do business without e-mail?'" - "He also points to the unusual absence of a permanent inspector general during Clinton’s entire 2009-2013 term at the department. He said the 5¹/2-year vacancy was unprecedented." - "'It’s clear she did not want to be subject to internal investigations,'" http://nypost.com/2016/01/31/this-was-all-planned-former-ig-says-hillary-state-dept-are-lying/ I agree as well. This shows that whatever they were doing, they wanted it kept off the books. This would also render all of her Government corrospodance unavailable for FIOA requests, as there would be no material available to request from. One thing odd I find is that though Obama told Clinton that she is NOT allowed to hire Blumenthal on to her staff, she went and hired him through the Clinton Foundation. Presumably, whatever she had in mind for him to do in an "Official" capacity, she instead snuck him through back channels into the same position... - "... He was getting paid $10,000 a month while handling the business venture in Libya and urging Clinton to help him out with it in her role as America’s most powerful diplomat." http://thefederalist.com/2015/10/23/4-times-sidney-blumenthal-was-more-than-just-a-friend-to-hillary-clinton/ The "business venture" was Osprey Global Solutions, a "a military contractor that wanted to do business with the Libyan rebels." Here's a couple of examples of "work" being done by Blumenthal and Drumheller in Lybia under Clinton... - " As far back as 2011, Blumenthal and Drumheller discussed plans to pay $60,000 to send four men to Tunisia for a week, according to a report in ProPublica and Gawker." http://thehill.com/policy/defense/245366-meet-the-ex-spy-behind-the-benghazi-memos - "For instance, on Aug. 27, 2012, Blumenthal claimed that the new Libyan president would 'seek a discreet relationship with Israel' as he 'shares many common friends and associates with the leaders of Israel and intends to take advantage of this situation to improve the lot of the Libyan people.' Clinton forwarded on the e-mail to top policy aide Jake Sullivan with the comment: 'If true, this is encouraging. Should consider passing to Israelis.'" https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/10/20/the-false-claim-that-clinton-relied-on-sid-blumenthal-for-most-of-her-intelligence-on-libya/ - "In one exchange in March 2013, Blumenthal emailed Drumheller, "Thanks. Can you send Libya report." Drumheller replied, "Here it is, pls do not share it with Cody. I don't want moin speculating on sources. It is on the Maghreb and Libya." Cody is Cody Shearer, a longtime Clinton family operative..." http://gawker.com/leaked-private-emails-reveal-ex-clinton-aides-secret-sp-1694112647 Clinton had just left the State Dept. the month before in Feb. There are classified emails from Blumenthal to Clinton that show Blumenthal wasn't just relying on Drumheller as a source of "Intelligence", but elsewhere as well... - "On June 23, 2009, Blumenthal sent an email to Clinton with the subject line “N. Ireland/Shaun,” an apparent reference to Shaun Woodward, who then served as the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland." - "A June 20, 2011, email entitled “memo hrc Bahrain/Iran” is also classified as confidential and redacted in full because it contains information related to foreign activities." - "Likewise with a June 28, 2012, email with the subject line "some intel on internal german/euro maneuvering." - "Another email from Blumenthal to Clinton, sent Aug. 3, 2012, is nearly completely redacted save for statement that the email contained information from 'sources with access to the highest levels of the Governments and institutions.'" http://dailycaller.com/2016/01/30/four-sid-blumenthal-emails-in-latest-clinton-release-are-completely-classified/ So with ALL this clandestine communication going on, with no oversight, and only information Hillary Clinton deemed fit was sent to "official" sources, does this not look like a very suspicious setup indeed? I can only guess, but would she be directing the C.I.A.'s weapon diversions from Libya-Turkey-Syria from the Behghazi C.I.A. annex? - "In January, the Senate Intelligence Committee released a report on the assault by a local militia in September 2012 on the American consulate and a nearby undercover CIA facility in Benghazi, which resulted in the death of the US ambassador, Christopher Stevens, and three others." - "A highly classified annex to the report, not made public, described a secret agreement reached in early 2012 between the Obama and Erdoğan administrations." - "... the CIA, with the support of MI6, was responsible for getting arms from Gaddafi’s arsenals into Syria." - "The operation had not been disclosed at the time it was set up to the congressional intelligence committees and the congressional leadership, as required by law since the 1970s." - "‘The consulate’s only mission was to provide cover for the moving of arms,’ the former intelligence official, who has read the annex, said. ‘It had no real political role.’" http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/04/real-benghazi-story.html From September 5, 2012... Just 6 days before the Benghazi attacks... - "... the United States and the UK are running the revolution in Syria out of a townhouse in a posh neighborhood in Istanbul." - "... Syrian dissidents have been brought to Turkey to be trained as leaders of the Assad opposition by the U.S. State Department’s Office of Syrian Opposition Support (OSOS)..." http://americanfreepress.net/article-reveals-syrian-revolt-orchestrated-by-u-s-uk/ From May 19, 2015 with some more hindsight... - "Two smoking guns hit the news streams this week: The U.S. indeed had a gun-running program pipelining Libyan weapons to Syrian rebels through a port in Benghazi; and at least some “intelligence” on action in Libya passed through not one, but at least two of Hillary Clinton’s “homebrew” email addresses." - "A source told Fox News two weeks after the attack that Stevens was in Benghazi meeting a Turkish diplomat to “negotiate a weapons transfer, in an effort to get SA-7 missiles out of the hands of violent extremists.” One hour after Stevens showed him the door, local Libyan guards “abandoned their posts” and the assault began." http://dailycaller.com/2015/05/19/its-now-clear-the-stunning-negligence-that-led-up-to-chris-stevens-death-in-benghazi/ From October 19, 2012.. about a month after the Benghazi attacks... - "In March 2011 Stevens became the official U.S. liaison to the al-Qaeda-linked Libyan opposition, working directly with Abdelhakim Belhadj of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group..." - "In November 2011 The Telegraph reported that Belhadj, acting as head of the Tripoli Military Council, "met with Free Syrian Army [FSA] leaders in Istanbul and on the border with Turkey" in an effort by the new Libyan government to provide money and weapons to the growing insurgency in Syria." - "Last month The Times of London reported that a Libyan ship "carrying the largest consignment of weapons for Syria … has docked in Turkey." The shipment reportedly weighed 400 tons and included SA-7 surface-to-air anti-craft missiles and rocket-propelled grenades." - "Those heavy weapons are most likely from Muammar Gaddafi's stock of about 20,000 portable heat-seeking missiles—the bulk of them SA-7s—that the Libyan leader obtained from the former Eastern bloc. Reuters reports that Syrian rebels have been using those heavy weapons to shoot down Syrian helicopters and fighter jets." - "The ship's captain was "a Libyan from Benghazi and the head of an organization called the Libyan National Council for Relief and Support," which was presumably established by the new government." - "That means that Ambassador Stevens had only one person—Belhadj—between him and the Benghazi man who brought heavy weapons to Syria." http://www.businessinsider.com/us-syria-heavy-weapons-jihadists-2012-10 (the article's highlighting, not mine) So, with all that in mind, we have to have a look at what else was going on during this time... namely ISIS... From Wiki... - "In March 2011, protests began in Syria against the Syrian government of Bashar al-Assad. In the following months, violence between demonstrators and security forces led to a gradual militarisation of the conflict... In January 2012, the group announced its formation as Jabhat al-Nusra li Ahl as-Sham—Jabhat al-Nusra—more commonly known as the al-Nusra Front..." - "On 8 April 2013, al-Baghdadi released an audio statement in which he announced that the al-Nusra Front had been established, financed, and supported by the Islamic State of Iraq,[117] and that the two groups were merging under the name "Islamic State of Iraq and Al-Sham"." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant#Syrian_Civil_War Makes sense yes? There needed to be an explanation as to HOW the Syrian "rebels" were so well armed etc. Apparently Al Qaeda in Iraq/Islamic State of Iraq... who we all know by know was funded and enabled by our Saudi "allies" and more... were the ones allegedly responsible for it. But of course, that looks NOT to be the case at all. Quite the coincidence then that Clinton, Obama, whoever else, set up a clandestine operation, that communicated through a hidden and private server, and overthrew Gaddafi, then taking his weapons and arming the "rebels" in Syria, while at the same time all this was happening, ISIS romped and destroyed it's way to an area the size of France almost. And these events aren't related??? The "Official" versions of events would have you believe that. I have a feeling that there are loads of Clinton emails that would confirm all of that, and have since been destroyed. The "22" oh so important emails(so far) that got missed that are even too "sensitive" to release even completely redacted, probably contain highly damning evidence of illegal activity on the part of the Administration. They probably can not redact them as that would mean that a few more people would have to have access to them and know the truth, plus I think that entering redacted materials automatically sets an "official" release date some years down the line, so by withholding them completely, they will never get released. Not to exonerate Bush, Cheney, Rumsfled etc for their participation in starting the current mess out there, but it looks like it could be that Clinton, Obama and all, are directly responsible for the sudden and fast rise of ISIS during all the Libya/Syria mess. From what I can see so far, and I've mentioned it before, we, the public, are being sold on how the "handling" of classified documents is the problem... or that she used a private server. Could it be that the real crimes are the information still left on the existing emails, combined with the 30,000 destroyed emails, and they paint a picture of absoulte corruption and legal breaches etc that go right to the top of the White House, and what we're really looking at is NOT the F.B.I. etc trying to nail everything they can on Clinton, but instead, they are trying to find out which version of "truth" they can get away with in the public's eye, that allows for the least amount of "punishment" to be metted out when the dust settles? I think it's likely the latter and we, the public, will never get to know the real truth behind this whole thing... Much like past events such as 9/11 and Iran/Contra. There's something to look at there as well... - "The former chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee said with the "body of evidence" against former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, FBI Director James Comey "really has no choice but to refer this for indictment." https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/2016/02/04/issa-fbi-director-has-no-choice-but-to-refer-hillary-for-indictment/ - "Congress should stay out of the Hillary Clinton email probe and let the FBI do its job, best-selling conservative author Ed Klein told Newsmax TV on Thursday." - "Leave it to James Comey," Klein said. "He'll get it right." http://www.newsmax.com/Newsmax-Tv/ed-klein-congress-stay-out/2016/02/04/id/712801/ While it may be true that Comey will recommend to indict Clinton to the Department Of Justice, will they?... - "The New York Post reports, based on comments by Krongard, that “any criminal referral to the Justice Department from the FBI ‘will have to go through four loyal Democrat women’ — Assistant Attorney General Leslie Caldwell, who heads the department’s criminal division; Deputy Attorney General Sally Yates; Attorney General Loretta Lynch; and top White House adviser Valerie Jarrett.” Even in the face of a plethora of damning information that surfaced and will continue to surface as a result of the FBI probe, it is hard to imagine a scenario where Obama’s politicized Justice Department chooses to indict the leading Democrat nominee for the presidency." http://abovethelaw.com/2016/02/clintons-get-out-of-jail-free-card/ "Attorney General Loretta Lynch" ... Remember Iran/Contra??? While it was the Attorney General's job to investigate and charge criminal activities, the U.S. Attorney General at the time, Edwin Meese, set out to, in his own words... "limit the damage" instead. Seems to be a recurring theme in the world of Clinton's and Bush's. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likely Guy Posted February 5, 2016 #2 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Where do you get the time Mario? You must have the world's largest Venn diagram drawn on your wall. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astra. Posted February 5, 2016 #3 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Wow - that's a lot to digest - but a great effort. It's sorta like shopping under the one roof 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashotep Posted February 5, 2016 #4 Share Posted February 5, 2016 (edited) You would have to be completely brain dead to vote for her or Bush. I don't think this country could take another 8 years of either one. Should charge her plus go back and charge the Bush administration also for all the lies to start a war. Edited February 5, 2016 by Ashotep 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DONTEATUS Posted February 5, 2016 #5 Share Posted February 5, 2016 SHe`s Much Better than Cruz or Trumphit ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman76 Posted February 5, 2016 #6 Share Posted February 5, 2016 SHe`s Much Better than Cruz or Trumphit ! Her and Cruz work for the same people. Never mind, go back to watching the zombie box in your living room 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bee Posted February 10, 2016 #7 Share Posted February 10, 2016 . thanks Lemieux - that helps to understand what's gone on and is going on - . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abaddonire Posted February 11, 2016 #8 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Her and Cruz work for the same people. Never mind, go back to watching the zombie box in your living room Is that your goto response? I keep telling you that I do not own a TV. You seem to have quite a lot of difficulty with that concept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggiemoggs Posted February 27, 2016 #9 Share Posted February 27, 2016 Think on this: ‘You can’t give Hillary those files, she’s capable of doing anything!’ ‘I wouldn’t put anything past Bill Clinton!’ https://youtu.be/q8HetoUT4OE ‘The higher up the criminal scale the less the evidence sticks, and when you get to the top, nothing sticks’ [an appropriate quote from Chief Superintendent Strange in ‘Promised Land’, an episode of the TV series ‘Inspector Morse’] 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman76 Posted February 28, 2016 #10 Share Posted February 28, 2016 Is that your goto response? I keep telling you that I do not own a TV. You seem to have quite a lot of difficulty with that concept. I ahh rrr, what are you talking about ? I wasn't quoting you. Unless you are DON. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abaddonire Posted February 29, 2016 #11 Share Posted February 29, 2016 I ahh rrr, what are you talking about ? I wasn't quoting you. Unless you are DON. It is your goto claim that everyone who remotely disagrees with you is a couch potato zombie creature mesmerised by the speaking box in the corner.I am telling you that I disagree with you and I don't own a TV. You seem unable to deal with the concept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DONTEATUS Posted February 29, 2016 #12 Share Posted February 29, 2016 It is your goto claim that everyone who remotely disagrees with you is a couch potato zombie creature mesmerised by the speaking box in the corner. I am telling you that I disagree with you and I don't own a TV. You seem unable to deal with the concept. On top of that, Abbadabaa doo needs to actually Do some home work on his own about Politics in America. THe problem is not the Can-a-dates Its the Crongress,and the Old Farts that really run this country ! Until we make a major change in Term Limits of Senate and Lobby-heist America will see the Same Old Same Old ! Old Farts Running this Country into the Ground. Drink sme more of that Lead water,Abbda-doo ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merc14 Posted March 1, 2016 #13 Share Posted March 1, 2016 (edited) Alrite... grab some popcorn, have a seat and brace yourself for ride down the rabbit hole... Unless you're a Hillary fan... then you should leave right now. Considering we, the public, will never know the contents of all of Hillary Clinton's emails, we can never be sure of what she was really doing during her time as Secretary Of State. We may never know all the emails since she destroyed roughly 30K of them bu the FBI is working on recovering those and most of teh other emails have become available through Judicial Watch and their FOIA request. The classified will obviously be held back but we know much of what they were about. I put this in the Conspiracy section, as I am going to speculate what the real story is.I am quite sure that even if she does get indicted(and pardoned on top of it?) I'm pretty sure it will be for the "small potatos" stuff that we, the public, already have access to, but the true "dark secrets" will remain hidden. I don't know how they sweep under the table information that has already been leaked through high level senators and congresspersons. We also all know that she had a server that was illegally holding classified information. If Obama pardons her or Lynch decides not to indict then there will be a major upheaval in DC amongst the various intelligence communities, the FBI and others vs. the White House. Not saying that won't happen but it will be very much in plain sight as there is no way of hiding it. I concur that Obama's is one of the most law breaking administrations in the nation's history and he may very well break it again here but we wil all know about it. I'm going to try and put it into a somewhat timeline perspective and perhaps we can get a better understanding of what the real deal is.I'll summerize first, and tell you what it looks like to me in an overall sense... I'm thinking that when Clinton was assigned to Secretary Of State, her mandate was to oust Gaddafi, and further the "Arab Spring" to Syria to oust Assad. I remember reading that Hillary was kind of pushing the Libya thing herself and Obama was not all that happy with her doing so. The White House also ordered Hillary to not employ Blumenthal which she obviously ignored and did anyways. I believe there was some kind of Clinton foundation deal in the background but I am ony recalling reading this a couple of years back. Maybe you can find that info and I will look for it as well. She then set up her own private "C.I.A."(Clinton Intelligence Agency) with loyal Clinton-lifer, Sydney Blumenthal and ex C.I.A. agent Tyler Drumheller, who by this time was already running his own "Intelligence" networks, that also employed ex C.I.A. agents, politico types, Media experts etc.The very existence of such an operation needed to be kept secret of course, which led to 2 very unique things happening... 1 - A top Cabinet member(Clinton) exclusively using a private server for communications... for now obvious reasons. 2 - For the first time, the State Department(and the President) did not assign an Inspector General to the State Department for Clinton's entire term in Office. Hillary set that server up day one so not just to do with Libya and Arab Spring, it was to protect herself from all FOIA requests over her entire time as secretary. Also, Obama has nothing to do with an IG being assigned to State, that is Hillary's call and she, obviously, did not want and IG snooping around. BTW, Kerry has not assigned an IG either! Had there of been an Inspector General, the private server problem may have come up much sooner, which only shines more light on the intent behind it all IMO. Concur. BTW, 1600 more documents on Benghazi released to Trey Gowdy and his committee today. Edited March 1, 2016 by Merc14 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer77 Posted March 1, 2016 #14 Share Posted March 1, 2016 It is your goto claim that everyone who remotely disagrees with you is a couch potato zombie creature mesmerised by the speaking box in the corner. I am telling you that I disagree with you and I don't own a TV. You seem unable to deal with the concept. There is no disagree about this. Goldman Sachs supports both Hilary and Cruz If you "disagree" with preachermans post about Hillary and Cruz working for the same people you are simply wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
regeneratia Posted March 2, 2016 #15 Share Posted March 2, 2016 The CIA is about the most crooked and criminal agency this country pays for. Death follows the Clintons. I cannot vote for death. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myles Posted March 2, 2016 #16 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Most democrats are not dumb people. Do you think a good portion would jump off the Hillary bandwagon if a viable independent ran? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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