141 Posted February 5, 2016 #1 Share Posted February 5, 2016 "Today, the Saudi kingdom announced its readiness to participate with ground troops with the US-led coalition against ISIL, because we now have the experience in Yemen," Brigadier General Ahmed Asseri told Al Jazeera. "We know that air strikes cannot be enough and that a ground operation is needed. We need to combine both to achieve better results on the ground." http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/02/general-saudi-arabia-set-deploy-troops-syria-160205042542486.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted February 5, 2016 #2 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Like they'd be likely to fight ISISL. Perfect opportunity to join in the real campaign, the one to overthrow Assad, more like. That is, if the Saudi armed forces, lavishly equipped by the U.S. as they are, would be capable of doing that. They even got bogged down in ****** Yemen, for ***'s sake. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodnite Posted February 5, 2016 #3 Share Posted February 5, 2016 I guess it's the old Shia-Sunni thing? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashotep Posted February 5, 2016 #4 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Maybe this is a good idea, ultimately it will be up to the ME to defeat terrorists. Sure we sell the Saudis arms just like Russia sells Syria and Iran arms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted February 5, 2016 #5 Share Posted February 5, 2016 I guess it's the old Shia-Sunni thing? Yes, and both the saudis and ISIS are very strongly Sunni (the same, ultra-hardline Wahhabist doctrine). So how hard do you reckon they're going to fight their brothers in faith? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer77 Posted February 5, 2016 #6 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Seriously? Are you people really seriously not seeing this for what it is. The US proxies are losing to Assad, theyre about to lose some major territory http://edition.cnn.com/2016/02/05/middleeast/battle-for-aleppo/index.html and all of a sudden the savages in Saudi Arabia decide they have a problem with ISIS and are gonna fight them in Syria?????? It strains credulity to say the least. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorvir Posted February 5, 2016 #7 Share Posted February 5, 2016 LOL. Let's actually see the Saudis step up for once. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
141 Posted February 5, 2016 Author #8 Share Posted February 5, 2016 http://topekasnews.com/putin-orders-massive-strike-against-saudi-arabia-if-america-attacks-syria/ http://rbth.com/international/2015/12/30/turkey-and-saudi-arabia-strengthen-alliance-against-russia_556249 i dont think the Saudies will fight isis ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer77 Posted February 5, 2016 #9 Share Posted February 5, 2016 http://topekasnews.c...-attacks-syria/ http://rbth.com/inte...t-russia_556249 i dont think the Saudies will fight isis ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavenHawk Posted February 5, 2016 #10 Share Posted February 5, 2016 I have had no problem with the realization of Faisal’s dream of Pan-Arabia (not necessarily including Egypt and the Mahgreb). I’ve also believed that ISIS was a plan to achieve this and we were unwitting participants. I think that the Sauds were counting on us staying in Iraq a bit longer as a buffer between them and Iran, and then Obama came along. He is really the enabler in all of this. This is what happens when you put a community hack in charge. This is indeed all about the larger conflict between Sunnis and Shia or (Arabia vs Iran) and always had been. As long as we were a strong influence in the region, this kept the larger picture from coming about but did we keep this influence? Hell no, people hated Bush so much that they were willing to cut off their nose to spite their face. And the MSM and the Left lead the way. So now the Sauds are flooding the market with oil as a weapon against Iran because they knew the sanctions were coming to an end. It is an indiscriminant weapon as we are getting hurt too. Any movement of Saudi troops will be to go against the Shia. That’ll free up ISIS to take out Assad. Turkey is a natural enemy to Russia, so it makes perfect since to improve the alliance between the two. Erdogan has his eye on parts of Northern Syria and maybe territories to the East. If this alliance is indeed for the obvious purpose, we’ll soon be seeing Russian aircraft dropping from the skies as ISIS gets the authorization to use our stingers. Then you’ll see Baghdad fall, as I’ve predicted last year. I don’t know if this is good or not. It will redefine everything. Will Turkey drag NATO into this against Russia? That would make the Crimea a target. But with the Sunni immigrants on Hijrah in Europe, will Europe still back Turkey? I know if Trump becomes President, he and Putin will become drinking buddies and that will affect things too. Russia’s primary concern is their port at Tartus. It would be possible that Russia and the US ally against Europe and the Sauds. Iran would have to be isolated because you don’t want them on either side. And I think Israel would join Russia and US. I agree, this is going to be some good $-hit and all because Obama pulled out of Iraq. This is what happens when Progressives get involved in foreign policy. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorvir Posted February 5, 2016 #11 Share Posted February 5, 2016 This is what happens when Progressives get involved in foreign policy. Quoted For Truth 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian hacktorp Posted February 5, 2016 #12 Share Posted February 5, 2016 I've also believed that ISIS was a plan to achieve this and we were unwitting participants. Quoted For Sheer Comedic Value 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Grey Posted February 5, 2016 #13 Share Posted February 5, 2016 I have had no problem with the realization of Faisal's dream of Pan-Arabia (not necessarily including Egypt and the Mahgreb). I've also believed that ISIS was a plan to achieve this and we were unwitting participants. I think that the Sauds were counting on us staying in Iraq a bit longer as a buffer between them and Iran, and then Obama came along. He is really the enabler in all of this. This is what happens when you put a community hack in charge. This is indeed all about the larger conflict between Sunnis and Shia or (Arabia vs Iran) and always had been. As long as we were a strong influence in the region, this kept the larger picture from coming about but did we keep this influence? Hell no, people hated Bush so much that they were willing to cut off their nose to spite their face. And the MSM and the Left lead the way. So now the Sauds are flooding the market with oil as a weapon against Iran because they knew the sanctions were coming to an end. It is an indiscriminant weapon as we are getting hurt too. Any movement of Saudi troops will be to go against the Shia. That'll free up ISIS to take out Assad. Turkey is a natural enemy to Russia, so it makes perfect since to improve the alliance between the two. Erdogan has his eye on parts of Northern Syria and maybe territories to the East. If this alliance is indeed for the obvious purpose, we'll soon be seeing Russian aircraft dropping from the skies as ISIS gets the authorization to use our stingers. Then you'll see Baghdad fall, as I've predicted last year. I don't know if this is good or not. It will redefine everything. Will Turkey drag NATO into this against Russia? That would make the Crimea a target. But with the Sunni immigrants on Hijrah in Europe, will Europe still back Turkey? I know if Trump becomes President, he and Putin will become drinking buddies and that will affect things too. Russia's primary concern is their port at Tartus. It would be possible that Russia and the US ally against Europe and the Sauds. Iran would have to be isolated because you don't want them on either side. And I think Israel would join Russia and US. I agree, this is going to be some good $-hit and all because Obama pulled out of Iraq. This is what happens when Progressives get involved in foreign policy. I was with you right up until It would be possible that Russia and the US ally against Europe and the Sauds. Too much a stretch, IMO. Too much bad blood and history between Freedom and the Red Scare. Especially given what's transpired between them over the last 5 years... Otherwise, I believe the teams have already been picked. China will be the deciding factor in all of this...they have the largest man army the world has ever seen (when all regiments are counted,) but they are eerily quiet on the world stage despite all the chaos that will inevitably involve them. How do you think China will play in to this now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted February 5, 2016 #14 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Quoted For Sheer Comedic Value You could've quoted the whole post. Still, now we know who Ravenhawk is. he's the one who writes those "Tom Clancy's Some Preposterous load of nonsense" techno-thrillers. And it's all because Obama pulled out of iraq!! Not at all because some incompetent dumbass of a President invaded the place and overthrew a secular leader in the first place. No. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorvir Posted February 5, 2016 #15 Share Posted February 5, 2016 You could've quoted the whole post. Still, now we know who Ravenhawk is. he's the one who writes those "Tom Clancy's Some Preposterous load of nonsense" techno-thrillers. And it's all because Obama pulled out of iraq!! Not at all because some incompetent dumbass of a President invaded the place and overthrew a secular leader in the first place. No. Now I recall why I put you on ignore. The sheer inaccuracy of your posts, the sheer Idiocy of your claims. And the complete withdrawal from reality you display. "BLAME IT ONE BUSH" Yeah, you keep bleating that like a good little sheep. It won't ever make you right, but it will keep highlighting who you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer77 Posted February 5, 2016 #16 Share Posted February 5, 2016 You could've quoted the whole post. Still, now we know who Ravenhawk is. he's the one who writes those "Tom Clancy's Some Preposterous load of nonsense" techno-thrillers. And it's all because Obama pulled out of iraq!! Not at all because some incompetent dumbass of a President invaded the place and overthrew a secular leader in the first place. No. Spot on correct. Its not about which party is in office. The foreign policy doesnt change. To try and blame one president or the other is idiotic and shows a lack of historical knowledge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted February 5, 2016 #17 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Now I recall why I put you on ignore. The sheer inaccuracy of your posts, the sheer Idiocy of your claims. And the complete withdrawal from reality you display. "BLAME IT ONE BUSH" Yeah, you keep bleating that like a good little sheep. It won't ever make you right, but it will keep highlighting who you are. Blame it on the dumbass who invaded Iraq and precipitated the whole fiasco? Yes, how hopelessly idiotic. How was it not Bush's fault? He, as a very wise man* once said about the Germans, started it. He invaded Poland sorry, Iraq. * Basil Fawlty 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted February 5, 2016 #18 Share Posted February 5, 2016 It is interesting how incandescently angry people get when certain leaders who they admire avidly, despite the fact that from all the evidence and the opinion of nearly all impartial observers, they were a monumental dumbass, are criticised. It's yet further proof of the point that was made somewhere else recently about how politics, and the blind loyalties that they give rise to, are very very much like religion, and how feverish and fervid support of one party really is exactly like religious faith and the blind obedience to the Pope/Grand Mufti or whatever. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EEHC Posted February 5, 2016 #19 Share Posted February 5, 2016 (edited) The Saudi proxy in Syria, al-Qaeda, is loosing which is why they are probably considering some kind of intervention. Aleppo will soon be surroundered by Assad's forces which could bring the end of the civil war, leaving the West to choose between Assad or ISIS. This was Russia's plan and it's working quite well. Edited February 5, 2016 by EEHC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavenHawk Posted February 5, 2016 #20 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Too much a stretch, IMO. Too much bad blood and history between Freedom and the Red Scare. Especially given what's transpired between them over the last 5 years... That’s why I preceded it with a Trump Presidency. I think those two would be able to rebuild any relationship. Europe is spiraling in on itself. The population is dying and the current Muslim Hijrah will accomplish what Muslims in times past had not been able to do. With leadership like Merkel, Hollande, and Cameron Europe is dead and it’s time to leave NATO. Under Trump this nation will experience a new serge and awakening. The US and Russia will be the nations that are “happening”. It would be the new paradigm. I don’t think that is that much of a stretch. It’s really a matter of if and when… How do you think China will play in to this now? They won’t. They may have the largest army but you have to be able to get them to the fight. They don’t have the navy to ferry them and for the few ships they do, would be prime targets. That leaves over-land. But even if Russia is an Ally, they aren’t going to let China just waltz through. The same goes for India. Their economy is on the verge of collapse. They just don’t have the logistics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavenHawk Posted February 5, 2016 #21 Share Posted February 5, 2016 You could've quoted the whole post. Still, now we know who Ravenhawk is. he's the one who writes those "Tom Clancy's Some Preposterous load of nonsense" techno-thrillers. First of all, Tom Clancy was one of the most brilliant thinkers of our time. He had a handle on how the inner workings of intrigue in this world works and was able to put all of it into a fictionalize story so that even the clueless like you could understand. “Preposterous load of nonsense techno-thrillers” is hardly how one would describe his writings. If you see a similarity, I take that as one of the highest compliments anyone could receive. I know it is meaningless to you but thank you. Personally, I wouldn’t trust anyone that doesn’t understand the world in a similar manner that Clancy had. So we now know about you. And it's all because Obama pulled out of iraq!! Not at all because some incompetent dumbass of a President invaded the place and overthrew a secular leader in the first place. No. What do you think was happening even before the invasion of Iraq? What is going on in Syria would be going on in Iraq, except Iraq would probably have nukes by the time civil unrest did occur. It would have been a worse situation than what we have now. Our invasion broke it up but Obama threw fuel on the fire starting with his Cairo speech then enabled it even further by pulling out of Iraq, then putting the death nail to any hope at all by making a deal with Iran. 3 strikes! Before Obama we had relative peace on this planet. Today we can’t say that. The enemies of peace have seen the weakness that fills the Whitehouse and they are busy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Red Devil Posted February 5, 2016 #22 Share Posted February 5, 2016 (edited) I have had no problem with the realization of Faisal's dream of Pan-Arabia (not necessarily including Egypt and the Mahgreb). I've also believed that ISIS was a plan to achieve this and we were unwitting participants. I think that the Sauds were counting on us staying in Iraq a bit longer as a buffer between them and Iran, and then Obama came along. He is really the enabler in all of this. This is what happens when you put a community hack in charge. This is indeed all about the larger conflict between Sunnis and Shia or (Arabia vs Iran) and always had been. As long as we were a strong influence in the region, this kept the larger picture from coming about but did we keep this influence? Hell no, people hated Bush so much that they were willing to cut off their nose to spite their face. And the MSM and the Left lead the way. So now the Sauds are flooding the market with oil as a weapon against Iran because they knew the sanctions were coming to an end. It is an indiscriminant weapon as we are getting hurt too. Any movement of Saudi troops will be to go against the Shia. That'll free up ISIS to take out Assad. Turkey is a natural enemy to Russia, so it makes perfect since to improve the alliance between the two. Erdogan has his eye on parts of Northern Syria and maybe territories to the East. If this alliance is indeed for the obvious purpose, we'll soon be seeing Russian aircraft dropping from the skies as ISIS gets the authorization to use our stingers. Then you'll see Baghdad fall, as I've predicted last year. I don't know if this is good or not. It will redefine everything. Will Turkey drag NATO into this against Russia? That would make the Crimea a target. But with the Sunni immigrants on Hijrah in Europe, will Europe still back Turkey? I know if Trump becomes President, he and Putin will become drinking buddies and that will affect things too. Russia's primary concern is their port at Tartus. It would be possible that Russia and the US ally against Europe and the Sauds. Iran would have to be isolated because you don't want them on either side. And I think Israel would join Russia and US. I agree, this is going to be some good $-hit and all because Obama pulled out of Iraq. This is what happens when Progressives get involved in foreign policy. You offered a lot of dubious suggestions in this post (IMHO of course) but the clincher is in the bold. In fact probably the only right thing you said was at the start of your statement (it always should have been about a Sunni vs Shia struggle). Then you went to ruin it with "As long as we were a strong influence in the region". When are you ever going to learn? Edited February 5, 2016 by Black Red Devil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Red Devil Posted February 5, 2016 #23 Share Posted February 5, 2016 http://topekasnews.c...-attacks-syria/ http://rbth.com/inte...t-russia_556249 i dont think the Saudies will fight isis ... And I wouldn't take Putin's threat lightly if I was one of those fat sly Royals. Specially considering that the US, with a likely Democrat President in charge, have too much common sense to get into a war with Russia. So I predict the Saudis may end up having to slog it out with Russia. Good luck to that. Then again, the faint possibility that US soldiers could end up being deployed to assist SA, if the Conservative warmongers in Congress pushed hard enough, could also be a possibility but I'd like to hear their explanations to the body bags returning from a war their soldiers died in fighting alongside many Wahhabi radicals who hate everything they represent. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EEHC Posted February 6, 2016 #24 Share Posted February 6, 2016 (edited) Before Obama we had relative peace on this planet. Today we can't say that. The enemies of peace have seen the weakness that fills the Whitehouse and they are busy. Make no mistake about it, removing Assad had long been on Washington's to-do list. Once the Arab Spring broke out, they threw money and weapons behind the insurgency along with Turkey and SA.This was a policy advocated by BOTH Democrats and Republicans. There was a time when Congress was clamoring to send troops and warplanes to back the Islamists against the Syrian regime. Obama is no better than Bush Jr. but at least he withstood this madness. And I am sure these guys are thankful for that: Edited February 6, 2016 by EEHC 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted February 6, 2016 #25 Share Posted February 6, 2016 (edited) Before Obama we had relative peace on this planet. I've tried starting a reply several times to this, but it's just not possible. The only thing I can assume is that you've had some kind of hypnosis to wipe out all memories of everything that happened before 2008. It's so bizarre, this twisting of history, it can only be the result of brainwashing. What did Mr. Obama do that was responsible for the end of the peaceful golden age that the world was basking in under the Bush regime? He pulled out, you'll say, of Iraq. Oh, so why were they in Iraq then? Oh, was that part of the U.S. or one of its Dependent Overseas Territories? Well, perhaps it was one of the latter, but there are lots of those, so why was Mr. Obama so keen to pull the troops out of this one? Let me look it up, see if I can find anything. Oh dear, apparently they were heavily involved in fighting someone called Insurgents and Terrorists. But hold on, why were these Insurgents so ungrateful at being part of the Great American Empire? What's that? Their country was invaded, with the liberal use on Shock and Awe, by the U.S.? And ever since then it was a chaos of insurgency and factional fighting? No, I think you ought to complain to all these reporters and journalists who reported such vile calumnies. We know that can't be right, since you tell us that we had relative peace on this planet prior to the Tyrant Obama usurping power. Well, thank you for rewriting history and putting us all right. So the Iraqis were actually grateful for being invaded, then. So why did they need so many soldiers there, then? Oh, they had to have someone there for the people to give their garlands of flowers to express their gratitude. And they were so angry when Mr. Obama pulled the troops out that they set up ISIS and launched a reign of terror across Iraq and neighboring countries. Oh I see, well, thank you for rectifying history. Edited February 6, 2016 by Otto von Pickelhaube 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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