[Sunofone]

ill start with diamonds- on alex jones there was an interesting interview with a janine roberts who has made a video and book exposing what she has discovered about the true nature of diamonds-basically that the oppenheimer,through the use of mercinaries and inhumane labor practices as well as the mass haording and storage of diamonds,have been able to completely hide the truth about the abundance of diamonds and through the use of third world peasants mining and cutting for them-where they are subject to daily x-rays and work for dollars a day and pay them like a quarter to cut a stone-she says there are huge warehouses gaurded with military like precision and inside are sealed containers full of diamonds stacked to the ceiling-she has figured the actual worth of a 1 ct cut stone to be 5 dollars-and that there are hints at ulterior motives for policing the diamond concerning the diamonds ability to create circuits that are invulnerable to emp attacks as well as other wilder speculations-her video and website can be found here

http://www.sparkle.p...ndex-frame.html

book info

Glitter and Greed

This book brings to you what I found while investigating De Beers and the diamond cartel in 5 continents over 15 years. It is the full and real story of blood or conflict diamonds - from the First World War until today.

It tells how major diamond companies funded atrocities in Africa - and how child diamond cutters work in conditions defined by the UN as slavery, cutting the world's diamonds Let the author take you with her on the world's most international of television investigations - and into diamond mines. Travel to Russia, to Arctic Canada, into the cutting workshops of New York's Fifth Avenue, into those of Israel - and of India.

In my book I will also take you to the fantastically rich Atlantic coast of Southern Africa known as "the Forbidden Zone" where they literally vacuum up diamonds and can them like peas. Learn how De Beers can make flawless gems from sewage gas. Learn diamond secrets hidden for decades. Be smuggled with me into secret diamond prospects in Australia. Find out how powerful directors of De Beers tried and failed to stop our film being seen in Canada and the UK - and succeeded in Australia.

And also learn how a major American diamond mine was sabotaged so the US would not have its own diamond supplies. Read how Nazi Germany was secretly supplied with the vital diamonds needed to keep the war going- and why De Beers was accused by outraged US government officials of sabotaging the Allied war effort. De Beers strenuously denied this - so read the evidence.


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video info

The Diamond Empire Feature Film - produced and written by Janine Roberts -

This film was suppressed after being shown on US, Canadian and UK television - allegedly due to the pressure put by Nicholas Oppenheimer, Chairman of De Beers, on John Birt, then head of the BBC, and on Marmaduke Hussey, Chairman of the Board of the BBC. Under this pressure, the BBC agreed that this film not be sold to other television stations (and thus has not been seen on African television stations). In the US it became impossible to buy videos of the film. Yet this film has never been found libellous or proved inaccurate in court. No judgement was ever made against it. The broadcasters had simply caved in to pressure from De Beers, the company that rules the diamond world.

The response of the film's producer to this ban was to go out to South Africa and to show the film herself inside De Beer's own diamond mines to the mineworkers. She also stayed with the mineworkers in the Townships - learnt much more from them about De Beers - including how it was hiding just how rich its mines were in diamonds - and she herself is now selling here copies of the film so you can judge it for yourselves.

In Canada, a De Beers director lobbied government ministers to try to stop the film being shown - but failed in this after the Sierra Club's lawyers, the unions and the Dene came to the support of the film's exhibitors.

It is particularly sad that my diamond film was never on Australian television due to pressure from De Beers - it was withdrawn within days of being scheduled for transmission - as it was the most expensive and international television investigation every launched from Australia - and the first major investigation on television into what we now know as "blood diamonds"

Don't let it be censored. Buy the film, and the book if you can - and show them to friends who want to buy a diamond. We can make a difference. We can help reform this trade.

The film comes on a CD with a bonus, a collection of unique photos taken by the author since she made the film inside De Beers diamond mines , despite De Beers banning her from the mines (the first person banned since the rise of the ANC.) These photos reveal appalling condition for workers inside De Beers fantastically rich mines . To this is joined a collection of previously secret documents. Use of these photos and documents for educational and non-profit purposes is permitted

The story behind this film, of how the writer raised support to hunt down the diamond cartel's operations in six continents, is told in her book, reviewed opposite as 'enthralling' and 'brilliant'. It is a riveting diamond adventure, it tells of what happened when she was secretly road-showing the film around De Beers mining camps, how she was smuggled into De Beers largest diamond mines- where she found horrific conditions. She tells why US Justice Department lawyers believed De Beers damaged the US fight against Hitler - and why US Intelligence believed traitors in the UK government protected a large and lucrative secret diamond trade with Hitler. She tells of how enriched uranium was later smuggled into Africa disguised as a diamond shipment with the help of the US government. .She describes how De Beers directors lied and misled the BBC and WGBH in order to suppress her film - and how she later came to testify at the US Congress on De Beers and human rights
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HOW TWO MONTHS' SALARY LASTS A LIFETIME IN REALLY EVIL sh**.
By Mike Bruno

10.30.03




the diamond engagement ring tradition could be the greatest PR scam ever invented. It is ingrained in society that everyone from the stockbroker to the janitor has to shell out thousands to the diamond industry if he wants to marry his woman.

After all. It's "how you can make two months' salary last forever," right?

Eighty years ago, your great grandparents didn't do this when they
got married. They gave each other big wooden boxes and simple things like promise rings and hope chests. The allure of diamonds is part of a huge, century-long conspiracy by the diamond industry, namely giant De Beers, which controls stockpiles and sets the price of stones, which aren't the rarest in nature, even though they're the most expensive.

Janine Roberts has made a career out of following this seedy business and exposing the oftentimes disgusting lengths it goes to maintain control over the diamond's worth. She recently took a few moments to share some thoughts from her most recent book, Glitter & Greed: The Secret World of the Diamond Cartel.

JR-Janine Roberts
BT-Black Table



BT: When did this whole diamond engagement ring thing start?

JR: Diamonds became engagement stones around the end of the recession. Ernest Oppenheimer, who was in control of De Beers in the 1930s, was shutting down diamond mines to control supply and keep the price of diamonds high. He sent his son Harry to New York to meet with advertisers, because he realized that he couldn't have diamonds being bought up just by rich people. They needed something that would appeal to everyone.

Well, everyone has to get engaged. So they spent a million pounds a year (about $1.7 million) to establish the diamond engagement ring as a sacrament -- a spiritual thing. "Diamonds are forever." They invented that and advertised it at every high school at the time. They got Paramount Studios involved by having the female stars wearing diamonds and by creating diamonds films. Marilyn Monroe's "Diamonds are a girl's best friend" and such. That advertising campaign created the myth.

It was quite different in old times. Diamonds in India, for example, were worn for many years mostly by men. Their hardness was a symbol of fertility. They had to create a new story about diamonds for the woman.

BT: The diamond industry, especially De Beers, which now controls a vast majority of the rough diamonds being sent off for polishing, will do whatever it takes to control the supply of diamonds and keep the prices up, according to your book. What other egregious examples are there of price fixing?

JR: De Beers always says they don't restrict supplies. But I've talked to sources, and researched industry books, and I found De Beers records with Ernest Oppenheimer quoted as saying they have bought out farms rich in diamonds and hid them.

One farm was in Arkansas. In about 1910 a pig farmer in Arkansas, about 120 miles south of Little Rock, was cleaning out the swill when he found some diamonds. He couldn't believe they could actually be diamonds, but hesent them to Tiffany's, who reported back that they really were. This farmer found a diamond pipe in Arkansas.

He hired a couple of companies to help him mine the top 40 feet or so to raise money for proper equipment to set up a full production mine. They sent stones to Tiffany by the tens of thousands. Good quality gems. Geologists came in from a mine manager of a De Beers mine in South Africa and also reported that this was a highly commercial deposit. There are plenty of records that this was so.

After about 20 years of work on the deposit, the owner of the mine went to New York to meet with Ernest Oppenheimer, who was a very big seller through Anglo American, a De Beers rival at the time. I have a copy of a cable sent from that meeting by the mine owner to a manger back in Arkansas. The Arkansas mine owner said that Oppenheimer has extraordinary ideas about mining, to shut down the activity, hide all the paperwork and "I'll explain when I get back."

Henry Ford was using industrial stones from Arkansas for his assembly line. Ford offered to pay premium price for them. That was refused. He asked the owner to name his price for the whole operation. To his amazement, he refused to sell it and instead shut it down. The allegation is that the mine owner went off to get a lucrative job with De Beers.

BT: And this is legal?

JR: The Justice Department believes it was a conspiracy to control supply.

The U.S. is the biggest market for diamonds in the world. Due to the Sherman Act's ban on international price fixing, diamond cartels couldn't control that mine in Arkansas, which appeared to be so rich that it could destroy part of the controlled market for diamonds. If the U.S. was independent of Africa, that would be disastrous.

So it stopped being a mine, and it is now a tourist attraction. For $4 you get a pair of boots and a spade, and you can dig a hole -- no deeper than four feet -- and take home what you can fill a bucket with by nighttime. If you see it, it looks like people picking mushrooms or strawberries -- crawling, looking for stones on the surface. The deposit was so rich that you can still find them there. People actually dig up around 300 a year.

I was down in a mine in South Africa on the Atlantic Coast, and I mentioned this to a mine worker. He laughed and said it had happened there. A large part of one deposit was turned into a game park. The miner told me De Beers had to ship in some antelope so there would actually be game. A geologist I talked to said that half of the reserves of the mine are in the game park.

BT: Does anyone ever try to stop this?

JR: Last year some documents from the prime minister in Namibia were leaked. Among them was a letter written by Maurice Templesman, who is very much the De Beers representative in the U.S. in a formal sense. The Namibian government had decided that it wanted to check the price De Beers was paying them for their diamonds. De Beers doesn't only buy all the product from Namibia; it also sets the price it's paying. The government is supposed to be De



This young boy cuts and polishes diamonds. As he does this without any protective gear, sharp diamond dust is cutting his lungs. How romantic.


Beers' partner, but it decided to make sure De Beers was paying the correct price, the market price. Maurice Templesman met with the president and prime minister, and the leaked letter was one he wrote back to them.

It said, roughly, "As I told you, we are prepared to make $50 million available to you that does not have to be reported officially if you don't check the prices De Beers is paying." This letter was released in Namibian newspapers.

The check never happened. De Beers probably offered them slightly more money for the diamonds so that there would not be any proof that they were cheating on the price. There are stacks of documentation in my book of Namibian officials saying that they can't discover what De Beers gets for our diamonds.

BT: What about the link to terrorism, which is what suddenly got Americans interested in illegal diamond trading?

JR: There are reports of things going on in countries we know are involved with terrorism, but al-Qaida is only tip of the iceberg as far as using diamonds for military or aggressive purposes. There are documents in my book about what happens in the Congo, how U.S. Special Forces went in to get control of mines being taken over by rebels. The UN says that over a million people died over these wars in Africa, which seems to me far worse than what al-Qaida has been doing. There are Hezbollah merchants, Israelis sending conflict stones into Tel Aviv.

Really, you have this prolific natural resource in at least 20 countries. They are extremely cheap to mine, sold at extremely high prices, so they fund all sorts of nasty things in Africa.

BT: So when will people wake up to all this? Are people finally starting to pay attention?

JR: I just keep plugging away to see if people take it up. I've been told me that it's my work that inspired "conflict diamonds" work in the first place. But it's not good enough. Not far enough.

I found as I go around the U.S. that a lot of journalists treat me like some kind of heroine, which is wonderful. I didn't expect it, but it has let me talk about human rights issues on C-SPAN and Fox. They usually want me to talk about diamonds and terrorism, but I explain that it's very broad -- not just al-Qaida. Once I was on TV in Boston, and a woman from the Congo called up and said it was so good talking about what's going on in the Congo where it's like 100 September 11s happened. That was lovely. I'll just keep coming out around the world and hopefully things will start happening.

http://www.blacktabl...bruno031030.htm
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peak-oil is a form of this kind of manipulation but on a grander scale-anybody care to comment on the peak-oil scenario?

This post has been edited by Sunofone: 21 December 2004 - 06:14 AM

[Fluffybunny]

debeers are evil evil people.

Once the synthetic diamonds gain popularity they will lose the power they once had. I will be glad to see them get what they deserve.

[Sunofone]

i hope this wasnt posted too late for those who are considering breaking themselves buying diamonds for christmas-

This post has been edited by Sunofone: 21 December 2004 - 06:20 AM

[d3v]

I have no doubt its all true and it just shows you what evil goes on behind closed doors.

I know of things millions of times more evil, sick and disturbing than that

Whats also sad is how so many people go through their lives thinkinig nothing of this sort happens

[The Russian Hare]

Yeah, diamonds are a big racket. There's other gems that are much more rare. They restrict the supply to keep prices high. And then they have a slick marketing campaign to convince you that you don't really love someone unless you shell out thousands of dollars for a shiny rock. All that money, meanwhile, funds wars in Africa. De Beers can't operate in the US because of anti-trust laws, correct? I'll never buy a diamond.

[Sunofone]

i almost forgot about this one--lets continue with the Abiogenic petroleum origin theory and the peak oil HOAX rearing its ugly head-
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Fossil Fuels Made without Fossils
Similar reactions deep in the Earth may churn out hydrocarbons from inorganic matter
By Gabe Romain
Betterhumans Staff
9/13/2004 5:01 PM

Methane Bubble
Credit: Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences
No bursted bubble: Methane bubble formation under conditions similar to deep Earth supports the theory that hydrocarbons are generated there
Fossil fuel may not require fossils, as the pressure of deep Earth has been found capable of creating hydrocarbons from inorganic matter.

The findings, by an American team of researchers, suggest that hydrocarbons, the main constituents of fossil fuels such as coal, petroleum and natural gas, could be extracted from a virtually endless source.

"These experiments point to the possibility of an inorganic source of hydrocarbons at great depth in the Earth—that is, hydrocarbons that come from simple reactions between water and rock and not just from the decomposition of living organisms," says researcher Russell Hemley of the Carnegie Institution of Washington's Geophysical Laboratory in DC.

Debatable source

There are two theories on the origin of fossil fuels, the biogenic theory and the abiogenic theory.

According to the biogenic theory, fossil fuels are the remnants of ancient plant and animal life deposited in sedimentary rocks.

According to the abiogenic theory, hydrocarbon deposits are primordial, being part of the Earth as it formed. The abiogenic theory holds that petroleum is produced by nonbiological processes deep in the Earth's crust.

Methane is the most abundant hydrocarbon in the Earth's crust and is the main component of natural gas. Often, gas reserves are accompanied by liquid petroleum. These reserves, at three to five miles beneath the surface, exist in relatively low-pressure conditions. At further depths however, crushing pressures and extreme temperature conditions results in matter that behaves much differently.

Whether or not hydrocarbons exist deeper and can be formed from nonbiological matter has been the subject of much debate.

"Huge implications"

For their experiments, the researchers created laboratory conditions mimicking the Earth's upper mantle, which underlies the crust at depths of about 20 to 60 kilometers (12 to 37 miles).

The researchers squeezed materials common at the Earth's surface—iron oxide, calcite and water—to pressures ranging from 50,000 to 110,000 times the pressure at sea level. They then heated the samples to temperatures up to 1,500°C (2,700°F).

They were able to get methane to form by reducing the carbon in calcite over a wide range of temperatures and pressures, supporting the possibility that the deep Earth may produce abiogenic hydrocarbons.

"This paper is important," says physicist Freeman Dyson at Princeton University in New Jersey. "Not because it settles the question whether the origin of natural gas and petroleum is organic or inorganic, but because it gives us tools to attack the question experimentally. If the answer turns out to be inorganic, this has huge implications for the ecology and economy of our planet as well as for the chemistry of other planets."
http://www.betterhum...ID=2004-09-13-3
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In 1970 the Russians started drilling Kola SG-3, an exploration well which finally reached a staggering world record depth of 40,230 feet. Since then, Russian oil majors including Yukos have quietly drilled more than 310 successful super-deep oil wells, and put them into production. Last Year Russia overtook Saudi Arabia as the world's biggest single oil producer, and is now set to completely dominate global oil production and sales for the next century.

If the opening paragraph of this report started by claiming that completely unlimited crude oil reserves exist inside planet earth, readers might be tempted to regard the entire text as preposterous ghostwriting for a novelist like Frederick Forsyth. If the report then went on to claim that the Russians have exploited this stunning reality for nearly thirty years, right under the largely unwitting noses of western intelligence, readers could be excused for mistaking the author for a lunatic, or perhaps as a front for spy novelist John le Carré. The problem here is that unlimited oil reserves do exist inside planet earth, and the Russians long ago developed the advanced technology necessary to recover these unlimited oil reserves in an efficient and timely manner.
Profoundly disturbing hard intelligence like this does not sit well with the frantic cries of western academic shills and lobbyists, determined to convince you all that the end of the oil world is nigh, or, more accurately, that America faces an imminent catastrophe when global production capacity "Peaks", i.e. when world demand for crude oil finally exceeds the rate at which we can physically pump the required product out of the ground. The gist of these false claims are outlined in a speech given at the at the University of Clausthal, by lobbyist Doctor Colin Campbell during December 2000:
"In summary, these are the main points that we have to grasp: Conventional [Free flowing] oil provides most of the oil produced today, and is responsible for about 95% of all oil that has been produced so far. It will continue to dominate supply for a long time to come. It is what matters most. Its discovery peaked in the 1960s. We now find one barrel for every four we consume. Middle East share of production is set to rise. The rest of the world peaked in 1997, and is therefore in terminal decline. World peak comes within about five years" [circa 12/2005]
Campbell is just the tip of a giant iceberg of academic Peak Oil 'experts' who suddenly appeared en-masse to give you this frightening news, right after President Saddam Hussein suddenly started trading his oil in Euros rather than in US Dollars, a devastating switch with the easy capacity to destroy the US Dollar in less than five years if it was left unchallenged and unchecked.
So these shills [decoys] were carefully positioned to deflect your attention away from the obvious greed and incompetence of the United States Government and its Wall Street masters, and focus it elsewhere instead. Then, hopefully, a few years later down the track when prices start to bounce through the roof, and America has no Euros to buy crude oil, you will blame gasoline prices of $5.00+ per gallon at the pumps on an 'inevitable decline' in world oil production, rather than march furiously on Washington DC with locked and loaded firearms.
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http://www.vialls.co...ca/peakoil.html

[twinstead]

I think one only has to learn the history of the oil industry to understand just how out-and-out evil these people are. Even the most cursory study of the diamond trade history is about as scary.

sonofone I doubt many of your theories, but I fear that you just may have a serious point here.

[turbonium]

Good topic, Sun. You're spot on with this. Maybe we need to start a disinformationist or depopulationist thread - we could start with Mike Ruppert.

This post has been edited by turbonium: 21 March 2005 - 02:36 AM

[Sunofone]

            Campbell is just the tip of a giant iceberg of academic Peak Oil 'experts' who suddenly appeared en-masse to give you this frightening news, right after President Saddam Hussein suddenly started trading his oil in Euros rather than in US Dollars, a devastating switch with the easy capacity to destroy the US Dollar in less than five years if it was left unchallenged and unchecked.
            So these shills [decoys] were carefully positioned to deflect your attention away from  the obvious greed and incompetence of the United States Government and its Wall Street masters, and focus it elsewhere instead. Then, hopefully, a few years later down the track when prices start to bounce through the roof, and America has no Euros to buy crude oil, you will blame gasoline prices of $5.00+ per gallon at the pumps on an 'inevitable decline' in world oil production, rather than march furiously on Washington DC with locked and loaded firearms.
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http://www.vialls.co...ca/peakoil.html

i had come across this older thread and found these paragraphs that brought up a point i had intended on mentioning but forgot--it seems from the circumstances above that the suddeness of 9/11 and the middle east conquest had to do with saddam switching the currency that he used in trading his oil from dollars to euros--immediately after the switch pnac was drawn up,peak oil hit the media,the towers were attacked and we had assumed control of afgh --completing the pipeline we confiscated saddams wells shortly after--this seems to be an important clue that people seem to be overlooking--im not much of an economist but i bet morgan reynolds could shed light on the subject --

[frenat]

My wife's wedding ring is a cubic zirconia and she's proud of it. Nobody else has to ever know and it looks real enough. It's mounted in real gold but for a 1 carat stone the entire ring is worth maybe $150. This way we're also not too worried if the stone gets lost. I don't see a downside.

[Nadia Blue]

Well, I'm an idiot. I paid 2 grand for my DeBeers. 9 years ago? That just sucks.

[Me_Again]

"Money is the root of all evil" ...invest in hydrogen fuel cells (thats what John Titor said ...I know, I know...)
*Sunofone, I'd settle for cubic zirconia

This post has been edited by Me_Again: 29 August 2005 - 10:57 PM

[LarryOldtimer]

Once upon a while, lo those many years ago, women thought that men who loved them were the ones who went to work on a daily basis and brought at least most of the money home to provide adequate living quarters, saw to it that the children were disciplined properly, and educated, and looked after them and the children in general. Sought after male fiancées were those who were saving and becoming educated so that they could provide these things after wedding vows were said. Then the (not so) wonderful world of advertising was invented, and suddenly, all that no longer cut it. Diamonds and furs had to be presented, along with all kinds of other needless jewelry. Dependable autos weren't enough, it had to be the SYZ-SEXY model, even if it didn't begin to meet family needs. Second and third specialty autos became fashionable. A fur coat, best sable, then mink, then fox, became an absolute requirement, even if it meant taking out a second mortgage on the house. The theme of advertising became, "if your husband (or male friend) [/b]really[/b] loves you, he will buy you (put merchandise name here)." And the women fell for the advertising. Simple as that. I recall my second wife asking me, "Dear, I have a sable stole, a mink coat, a silver fox jacket, do you think I have too many furs?" (Looking for a no answer, since she had her eye on another fur). Now, we lived in So. Cal, and perhaps once or twice a year, she might have occasion to wear on of her furs. It has all become a bad joke, and one which I think we might well rue the day it was played on us. It is, after all, up to the ladies to determine how they will be pleased.

[bboy]

It is, after all, up to the ladies to determine how they will be pleased. 

A truer statement has never been said...

[Malruhn]

Sunofone, out of all the crazy stuff you post about conspiracies that I give you crap about, unfortunately I have to admit that this one is spot on. (that admission hurt!)

DeBoers has been known as quite the evil cabal for a long time, but the press just doesn't care - because an entire section of our economy would be wiped out by the general knowledge of the price-fixing and manufactured scarcity.

And I don't know how to fix it...