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#46    Pale_Horse

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Posted 25 August 2003 - 05:18 PM

QUOTE (Bizarro @ Aug 25 2003, 11:53 AM)
the issue with guns is that guns do not commit crimes, people do.

Amen!  It's a little something called "Personal Responsibility"

Anyway, does anyone know if the site that debunked "Bowling for Columbine" was posted here.  I can't seem to find it any longer.

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Posted 25 August 2003 - 05:31 PM

Still the olī wild wild west over there....

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Posted 25 August 2003 - 06:52 PM

But why's it "culturally wrong" though?


An event that sparked changes in gun regulations in Australia.

The Port Arthur Massacre






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Posted 25 August 2003 - 07:02 PM

There you have your "Personal Responsibility".

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Posted 25 August 2003 - 07:08 PM

QUOTE (Kaj @ Aug 25 2003, 02:02 PM)
There you have your "Personal Responsibility".

Good one lil_kanga77 original.gif

I'm sorry, I don't quite understand what you are trying to say.
To me it seems clear, firearms were not responsible for the Port Arthur Massacre, a deranged individual was.

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Posted 25 August 2003 - 07:15 PM

He was able to have such guns though, that's the problem!

If he didn't have those kinds of guns then many, if not all, those people would still be with us today!

I would assume it's somewhat difficult to fight back against someone who has an automatic weapon in their hands. And in a crowded place, such as that was, the casualties were always going to be high.


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Posted 25 August 2003 - 07:17 PM

QUOTE (lil_kanga77 @ Aug 25 2003, 02:15 PM)
He was able to have such guns though, that's the problem!

If he didn't have those kinds of guns then many, if not all, those people would still be with us today!

I would assume it's somewhat difficult to fight back against someone who has an automatic weapon in their hands. And in a crowded place, such as that was, the casualties were always going to be high.

I understand now, it was the guns fault not the insane b*stard who went on a killing rampage. rolleyes.gif  

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Posted 25 August 2003 - 07:27 PM

If regulations didn't allow for such guns to be available, then killing sprees such as that would not happen.

Crimes such as that should rarely occur and the reason why it did is because the law makers made it possible for "crazy" people to get their hands on such deadly weapons.

Yes, he was the one who killed all those people but the point I'm trying to make is that regulations need to be tightened to hopefully prevent such terrible events from occuring again.

And two ways to do such is to ban such weapons from being available and make it harder for people to even own guns in the first place.




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Posted 25 August 2003 - 07:27 PM

QUOTE (Pale_Horse @ Aug 25 2003, 09:17 PM)
I understand now, it was the guns fault not the insane b*stard who went on a killing rampage. rolleyes.gif

Obviously, Pale Horse... the insane bastard wouldn't have made so many casualties if he had only be armed with a dull butterknife and a case of rotten tangerines...

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Posted 25 August 2003 - 07:40 PM

QUOTE (lil_kanga77 @ Aug 25 2003, 02:27 PM)
If regulations didn't allow for such guns to be available, then killing sprees such as that would not happen.


I must disagree.  When lawmakers ban law-abidding citizens from firearm possesion, the only element in society who'll possess firearms will be criminals.  How will this stop senseless acts of violence as described by your link?  

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Posted 25 August 2003 - 07:52 PM

Well..maybe itīs too late to do something about that now.
If I lived in the states I would prob. want a gun too...for protection.
Cuz it still is the wild west in a way.
But many of those guns end up in wrong hands one way or another.


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Posted 25 August 2003 - 07:53 PM

QUOTE (Phantom @ Aug 25 2003, 02:27 PM)
armed with a dull butterknife and a case of rotten tangerines...

You know, we may be on opposite sides of the fence on this issue, but that still made me laugh.  Hehe...tangerines..hehe...

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Posted 25 August 2003 - 10:58 PM

Lil Kanga , go for it .
I have lot's of friends who hunt . None of them do it with a semi-automatic weopan .
Personal responsibility is one thing that is  all to often taken lightly , but accidents happen . Not all gun deaths are caused by irresponsible louts .

  


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Posted 26 August 2003 - 02:54 AM

As someone who is from the 'wild west', and who has been such an outspoken warmonger since the 'war on terror', I actually agree with gun control. I believe in the right to bear arms, but I don't agree with all the various types of killing apparatus' people can purchase. I agree with hanguns, rifles and shotguns, but why would someone need a semi automatic, or a bazooka or hand grenades or a stinger missile? I strongly agree with the right to bear arms, but I also strongly agree with gun control.

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Posted 26 August 2003 - 04:43 AM

if deranged psychos didn't have a semi automatic, they would still use a gun.  maybe saw off a shotgun or something like that.  how about gasoline?  you can burn a house down with a gallon of gas, or even an apartment building.  you could kill all those people... do you ban buying gas?  i could list hundreds of things like this.  

you know what is sad?  you can't buy a model rocket anymore because the engines are deemed useful to terrorists.  that is really sad to me.  its not the little kid's fault, why take his fun?  

we can't possibly stop psychos from killing people.  we can ban everything and they will still find a way.  the problem is not the item they use to do it, rather its the psycho himself.  we should spend time teaching people to be better citizens.  

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