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Where do we go after we die?


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#91    Cadetak

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Posted 27 November 2006 - 03:44 AM

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Posted 27 November 2006 - 04:12 AM

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I was just wondering after we die what's next?


grin2.gif Burnside may be the moderator, but pay no attention to him.  He is a strict believer in the articles of faith of the religion of science, sometimes called scientism.

grin2.gif I am delighted to report that the evidence for reincarnation is reproducible and rigorous.  Prof. Ian Stevenson, of the University of Virginia has devoted a lifetime to studying reincarnation in two different ways, and each allow us to rule out everything but true reincarnation of the spirit.  Meanwhile NDE experiences with veridical details show that we first go to the Bardo, Tibetan for "the between."  Most of the time, it is a pleasant experience.  But in the details it is different for everyone.  We don't stay there forever, so it is nothing like the Christian heaven and hell, which are pure superstition.

w00t.gif There are astounding consequences of the reincarnation and NDE studies by the Societies for Psychical Research (SPRs), first founded in 1882.  Firstly, it means that the spirit has no interactions Via the EM force, and is thus invisible and can pass freely through physical objects.  This is the foundation and grounding point for all further research regarding the mind, consciousness, life after death and so forth.  It means we can forever separate investigations of the brain and investigations of the mind.  They are two quite different things, composed of different kinds of matter.

ph34r.gif There is an enormous amount of good scientific work by members of the SPRs, and much that isn't, especially by parapsychology, which is a pseudo-science, IMHO.

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Posted 27 November 2006 - 12:35 PM

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No one has ever come back after brain death...


Not true. One of the more spectacular recent cases was Tanya Liu, who was "brain dead" for at least two months.


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The brain activity does not instantly stop after the heart does.


Right. It takes about 20 seconds for a person's EEG to flatline. At the risk of pointing out the obvious, many victims of cardiac arrest have been resuscitated.

I always thought that one's personality was limited in time just as it's limited in space, and the thought didn't particularly bother me. I didn't feel a need to fill up more time any more than I feel a need to fill up more space. If death was the end of my personality in time, what did I care? I'd be unconscious. But now I'm finding the evidence of survival too strong to ignore. Others are welcome to disagree. That way, one of us has to be right.


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Posted 27 November 2006 - 05:32 PM

No one knows what happens after death ...

But i guess, that there is nothing after death ... because it is the brain that is responsible for perception ,,, and once it dies ,, perception cease to exist ...  

who knows ??!

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Posted 27 November 2006 - 05:39 PM

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Not true. One of the more spectacular recent cases was Tanya Liu, who was "brain dead" for at least two months.


Excuse me !!!  

So, what researched found ??!  What  "Tanya"  said ??!  did he experience anything during the "brain dead" state ?!!

Im very curios to know ...

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Posted 28 November 2006 - 03:06 AM

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Excuse me !!!  

So, what researched found ??!  What  "Tanya"  said ??!  did he experience anything during the "brain dead" state ?!!

Im very curios to know ...


Do a Google search for "Tanya Liu."

I don't know what she experienced during her months of EEG flatline. The point is that she returned to consciousness after being in a "brain dead" state.


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Posted 30 November 2006 - 06:25 AM

When people dead and come back, can they act like someone else thats way different their personality that they had before?


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Posted 30 November 2006 - 04:48 PM

Here is another interesting perception of what lies beyond our lives in this world as presented by Michael Newton, a past life regressionist who inadvertantly discovered some people were revealing to him what happened in between life incarations:

http://www.near-death.com/newton.html

I have read both of his books.  The information he was receiving through his clients was really interesting, but what I found even more interesting was how Michael changed his percpetion/line of questioning.  In the first book he was really irritating to me as he questioned because he asked the most unimportant questions (in my opinion) and didn't fully respect the wisdom he was tapping into. He kept trying to pressure them to tell him stuff that didn't matter or wasn't possible to be shared.  His line of questioning of course was reflective of his personal belief set about paranormal or mysteries of life.

By the second book I could see a change in the questioner.  It was easier to read.

I have had a nde and know others who have also.  I know that the energy that makes us live and breath in these wonderful amazing body creations does not come from this realm but another and when our life is over we return to the energy from which we came.

This source of our energy is also the source of the power that fuels the whole of the universe.  We are not separate from it, but on earth we can certainly deny it completely.

I have no problem with the rejection of "God" as humans have chosen to define in terms of human personality.  

But there is no doubt for me that we come from something far beyond our comprehension and it lies beyond the walls of this dimension.  We have all chosen to come here for the experience of the 3rd dimension with its unique qualities like gravity, time and sensation.  Human life provides incredible growth for the souls consciousness through experience of human emotions and physical sensations.  

The soul is basically ethical.  Morality does not come from religion, in fact, religion messes with people big time in trying to define morality as one set code or standard, simply because it leads to war when there is no agreement on this.  Humans are amazing because they can show such extreme characteristics, from cold, heartless destruction to deep mountain moving love and compassion for one another.  This is why we choose the experience, it is unlike any other.  It is difficult here, but what is gained can never be underestimated.

While the work of Michael Newton is quite detailed and a fascinating read for those who are not locked in a box on the topic of life and death and rebirth, I believe deep inside we all know we have our own soul and that once we leave this life it goes on.

For those who are locked in the box that says, you live, you die and then there is nothing, they will certainly gain what they need from their experience of limitation.  

We all choose what to believe and how to live, whether we want to admit it or not.
And when we are done we do have accountabiilty for what we created here in our choosing.  But the judging is done by ourselves, through our human lens mixed with our soul wisdom, after we leave this life.  How we judged life and ourselves and others while we were here will influence how we judge our own life when we stand before the council to do so.  In the end we make amends with all we have done.  But we also receive all that was good to keep forever.

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Posted 30 November 2006 - 04:57 PM

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When people dead and come back, can they act like someone else thats way different their personality that they had before?



I would say yes, it might seem as though a complete personaity change has taken place.  This has been noted in NDE studies.  It doesn't happen to everyone.  What it is reflecting is the experience of having done a review of their life actions (these reviews are complete, not like movies we view here, but full of all that you caused others to feel and you feel it from inside them and not from the outside just guessing).  Because this can be quite profound in impact it can cause a complete about face in people.

It has also been noted that some people have greater psychic abilities after a NDE.  Being able to see energy fields around people (auras) or hear other peoples thoughts when you previously could not do it before can be quite unnerving at first.  This would definitely affect personality, since human personality is formed by how we view ourselves, how we view others and how we view the world around us to a great degree.  We come with a basic soul personality, but life then shapes who we present ourselves to be based on impressions we have received.

More soul awareness is often possible for those who have gone past the perceived reality of this dimension to death and then back with a more complete awareness and memory of the journey and its purpose.

Thus it could appear to one who has not had the NDE experience that the other has changed 'personality' as a result of their experience.

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Posted 02 December 2006 - 02:16 AM

You wake up on the Nebuchadnezzer and take all your orders from then on from a guy named Morpheus - until your latent abilities swing back into action.

Wouldn't that be cool though?


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Posted 02 December 2006 - 09:22 AM

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Posted 03 December 2006 - 06:54 AM

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Posted 05 December 2006 - 04:27 PM

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I was just wondering after we die what's next?


Think before you speak. Your question is impossible, its like asking what happens in the future... you wont know till it happens. You cant exactly ask someone that died can you?



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Posted 05 December 2006 - 04:36 PM

Perhaps, What do you think happens once a human being passes on?
Would work better.


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Posted 05 December 2006 - 05:15 PM

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Perhaps, What do you think happens once a human being passes on?
Would work better.


It's the exact same thing you just said it different we would still have to look at the question the same way.





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