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#16    Talon

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Posted 06 January 2005 - 10:58 PM

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No matter what childish digs you all aim at tony blair his government has slashed unemployment , controlled interest rates, stopped provatisation, stopped boom and bust , is attemptig to fix the health service instead of privatise it and unemployment is at a RECORD low.


I don't anyone said he was worse than the Tories. He's just a whingeing slimy twat'

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UNlike talon says we actually have 3 major parties Tabour , Tories and Liber democrats.

The liberal democrats have only made it into power once or twice , the last time was directly after the war where ironically they set up the NHS.


I wass never denying we had more than two parties, just that the elections only ever come down to Tories and Conservatives.

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Mind you i dont share talons wish for an independant scotland lol ;-) so he would say that the SNP are a better choice , i would rather the tories in power than that bunch of whingeing slimy twats


There is nothing slimy about being a patriot and loving your country enough to want it to be run by its own government rather than your neighbours.

Why is it people b*tch all day long about hating policies being dictated from Brussels, but the moment someone says they son't want policies dictatred from them from Westminster suddenly everyone calls them 'anglopobic', 'whingeing', 'slimy', 'twats' etc

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Posted 07 January 2005 - 01:04 AM

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Blair is a sniveling pipsqueak, when backed into a corner he hasn't got a clue, what to say. I'd rather we stayed out of the european superstate thanks talon, our grandfathers and ancestors died for our freedom from europe, be it the nazis or the french, they aren't getting us that easily....

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Those same ancestors shed blood, sweat and tears to establish the british empire and what happened? through time we gave most of those countries back.  rightfully so though.  He has been under sh*t loads of pressure in his time though.  Its sad to see that he's sucking up to bush all the time and put our lads and money into the iraq war when our own country the u.k. needs fixed first.
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Posted 07 January 2005 - 05:04 PM

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Why is it people b*tch all day long about hating policies being dictated from Brussels, but the moment someone says they son't want policies dictatred from them from Westminster suddenly everyone calls them 'anglopobic', 'whingeing', 'slimy', 'twats' etc


I wasnt talking about you..more i was talking about salmond and his cronies.

And if the snp doesnt plan on joining the EU and taking orderd from brussels how the hell does it believe we can be an independant country.

The fisheries aint enough , the north sea oil aint enough.

WHat else do we have.

We'll end up like Latvia or estonia.

They have similar population sizes and similar resources and look at them.

The republic of ireland get MASSIVE handouts from europe.
So u either get into bed with europe and be damnded or dont and be in an even worse state.


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Posted 07 January 2005 - 06:10 PM

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Why is it people b*tch all day long about hating policies being dictated from Brussels, but the moment someone says they son't want policies dictatred from them from Westminster suddenly everyone calls them 'anglopobic', 'whingeing', 'slimy', 'twats' etc


I wasnt talking about you..more i was talking about salmond and his cronies.


I was including them, cause you can't be basing that opinion on then on anything less than they are patriotic. Your a socialist, you should at least admire them for being more left-wing that Labour.

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And if the snp doesnt plan on joining the EU and taking orderd from brussels how the hell does it believe we can be an independant country.


Course it beleives in joining the EU, and I think you place to much emphasis on the power Brussel's has.

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The fisheries aint enough , the north sea oil aint enough.

WHat else do we have.


Coal, Tourism, Agriculture, Water (Scotland supplies the rest of the UK with the stuff cause they dry up all the time), Brewry, and as for oil, for now we still have that, but you don't honestly beleive the UK will hang onto us 'loafers' once all our oil is used up? Trust me, the moment Westminster has used up the last our our natural resources they'll drop us like a ton of bricks, then then Scotland really will have trouble being independent, but the blame for that certainly won't lie with those of us who have alway be loyal to her freedom.

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We'll end up like Latvia or estonia.

They have similar population sizes and similar resources and look at them.


Were do people like get this rubbish. Those are suffering because they their industrialisation isn't as advanced as ours, their infrostructure is solid after being occupied for so long by the USSR, their resources have been drained and its population destroyed by 90 years of Stalinist rule. We have nothing in common with them. We'd be like Israel, Ireland Switzerland, Sweden, Finland, or Norway which have populations around or smaller than 5 million area, and their certainly not Third World style nations are they? Or do you think they should all be absorbed and governed by their larger neighbours to save them from their inability to be independent too? Ever better examples, Luxemburg, Malta, Andorra all have populations of a few thousand.

You've been listening to much Tory propaganda, spilled out by Thatcherites who went on and on about how much we couldn't survive without being in the UK, and how much of a drain were on England's economy and how inferioir we were genetically and that other Conservative cr*p.

I ask you, despite being so anti-Scottish why were they the most desperate party to hold Britain together. .... now... why would a party which says we're a drain and leaches be so desperate to hold onto us and make us believe those lies... hmmmm?..... its because they knew the truth that you donít have enough confidence in your own people to believe.



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The republic of ireland get MASSIVE handouts from europe.
So u either get into bed with europe and be damnded or dont and be in an even worse state.


Thatís because Ireland was largely unindustrialised when they broke away from the UK, it was one of the reasons they did. Anyway, I have most respect for a people who are willing to stand on their own two feet if they do need help doing to than a people who donít have enough confidence in themselves to believe they can rule themselves.



Hereís an idea, why donít all the people who want to British go to England, then all the people who want to be Welsh and Scottish can be independent. That way everyoneís happy, Iím not forcing you to be Scottish and your not forcing me to be British anymore.

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Posted 08 January 2005 - 12:34 PM

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Hereís an idea, why donít all the people who want to British go to England, then all the people who want to be Welsh and Scottish can be independent. That way everyoneís happy, Iím not forcing you to be Scottish and your not forcing me to be British anymore.


Why should i ??

Im just as scottish as you are and just as patriotic. (probably more so)

Trivial things such as being a memeber of the SFA supporters club and SRU supporters club.

I never miss anything that my country or countrymen do.

However , just becuase i want to live in a strong country that i am proud of that can actually make a difference in the world doesn mean i am anti -scottish.



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Posted 08 January 2005 - 12:37 PM

ya know beleive it or not we probably have very similar feelings on scotland.

I do want independance , i just dont think it would gove me or anyone else a better quality of life.

The other industries are incidental, they arent big enough to support the entire country.


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Posted 08 January 2005 - 06:17 PM

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ya know beleive it or not we probably have very similar feelings on scotland.

I do want independance , i just dont think it would gove me or anyone else a better quality of life.

The other industries are incidental, they arent big enough to support the entire country.

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Posted 08 January 2005 - 08:15 PM

hahahahaha

rite roon ye were so gonna beat that manky mob

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Posted 01 February 2005 - 11:15 AM

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Why should i ??


Because under this regime you have everything and we have nothing. Why should you have your cake and eat it.

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Im just as scottish as you are and just as patriotic. (probably more so)


I don't see how you can make that assessment.

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Trivial things such as being a memeber of the SFA supporters club and SRU supporters club.


What? You think what football and Rugby you support somehow reflects on how much you love your country? Don't be so stupid. Bet all those guys in the French, Norweigen etc Resistance during WW2 had football as the last thing on their mind. Liking a Sport does NOT define national alliagence.

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However , just becuase i want to live in a strong country that i am proud of that can actually make a difference in the world doesn mean i am anti -scottish.


Likewise I want to live in a country which doesn't have such a low opinion of itself that it believes it needs hand-outs from England to survive.


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ya know beleive it or not we probably have very similar feelings on scotland.


Not likely, in your own words I can't because I don't like football.

Anyway, its you whose insulting your fellow Scots left right and centre just because they want freedom.


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The other industries are incidental, they arent big enough to support the entire country.


Big enough in every other country which is our size.

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Posted 01 February 2005 - 11:48 AM

Celtic 7  Huns -3  coulnd not resist

I cant stand Blair,he is a slimy sh-t,never wrong when he is wrong ,cano`t even apoligise once when he or his party make a mistake..aahhh quick where`s ma tablets

Unemployment lower than when the torries were in power,did you know that unemployment was going down just before labour came into power
How many people are claiming incapacity benefit,that are never down as unemployed,how many people claimingdisabillity benefit that are not down as unemployed,how many people between 16 and 18 that are not allowed any benefit atall that are not down as unemployed.

Add up all those figures and tell me that unemployment is at its all time low
And these figures all come from a minister from Labour

Illegal imigrants...over 300.000 thousand unacounted for in britian,try 550.000 estimated illegal imigrants allready in britian...leeked from a labour mp
It is harder to bring over drink and fags from another countrie than people
How many of these illegal ims could be terrorists?
How many are screwing our fragile NHS system
How many are claiming DHSS falsley
Blairs old friend blunket said..we dont realy know how many people are here that should not be here...its a mess?

Our outdated and crumbling rail and road network...a shambles

Our hospitals...what a joke...there were 100.000 thousand beds in NHS hospitals last year..labour figures
Labour introduced 100.100 thousand addminastrators to run and check the Hospitals to make sure we are getting value for money
100.100 thousand times 40.000pound a year add it up,this is so called value for money
Has waiting times gone down ...NO
how clean are our hospitals...the worst since the victorian era

We must join Europe..why,who elected these people who are alreadty there in power..you ..me ..no one
How stupid would it be to join a bunch of spineless backbone money grabbers who would have the right to tell you what to do and when.
And may i remind you most of these people in the EU are corrupt ,coruption money londering fruad,the list goes on
that will do for now i have sore fingers




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Posted 03 February 2005 - 01:53 PM

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Posted 04 February 2005 - 02:42 PM

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Because under this regime you have everything and we have nothing. Why should you have your cake and eat it.


regime? lol i think living under the khmer rouge was a regime, we do not live under a "regime" .

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What? You think what football and Rugby you support somehow reflects on how much you love your country? Don't be so stupid. Bet all those guys in the French, Norweigen etc Resistance during WW2 had football as the last thing on their mind. Liking a Sport does NOT define national alliagence


I take it your a memeber of the SRA then lol???

You know your now comparing the comfortable , democratic life you have now to the life the resistance fighters of WW2 had , by doing that your comparing Labour to the nazis , it is you who is stupid for doing that not i. The simple fact is our lifes are so comfrotable the only things we need to worry about are trivial things.

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Likewise I want to live in a country which doesn't have such a low opinion of itself that it believes it needs hand-outs from England to survive


no u want to live in a country that survives on handouts from the EU.


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Not likely, in your own words I can't because I don't like football.

Anyway, its you whose insulting your fellow Scots left right and centre just because they want freedom.


What the hell are u talking about?

I never insulted you , i insulted alex salmond ...so what i hate the guy, dont take it so bloody personaly. Its not that when your insulting your fellow brits like tony blair and so on , see it works 2 ways . BTW your not in the majority pal. If you were the SNP would be in charge in the scottish parliament wouldt they?

So why dont you give the majority a chance to speak their opinion as you do and stop accusing us of being anti-scottish and insulting.



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Big enough in every other country which is our size.


We have freedom and we live in luxury (for the most)

I dont want to simply survive , i love being scottish AND being british.

BTW if the majority wanted indepence id disagreebut id get on with it.






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Posted 04 February 2005 - 05:58 PM

Come on people bring down my post ...the only thing is if you do you bring down labour thumbsup.gif


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Posted 05 February 2005 - 12:34 PM

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regime? lol i think living under the khmer rouge was a regime, we do not live under a "regime" .


Actually regime is defined to as the highest authority in government. Its just your opinion that it is to be taken as a negative term.


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I take it your a memeber of the SRA then lol???


No.

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You know your now comparing the comfortable , democratic life you have now to the life the resistance fighters of WW2 had , by doing that your comparing Labour to the nazis , it is you who is stupid for doing that not i. The simple fact is our lifes are so comfrotable the only things we need to worry about are trivial things.


Nonsense. What are you on about? I'm pointing out that your claim that someone's addiction to sport is what determines their patriotism is utter rubbish. And I never compared Labour to the Nazis, I'm pointing out that I'm pretty sure the French resistance were patriotic, but I bet sports were the last thing on my mind.

And as for calling me 'stupid', well if its your wish to lower yourself to such an imature level of debating, then surely it would be you who is 'stupid' for making up such an ubsurd claim that one has to have a favour football team before they can support their country.


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o u want to live in a country that survives on handouts from the EU.



Which differs from your wish to live on handouts from Westminster how? At least with an independent country we'll have our own voice in the EU rather than someone else talking for us. Anyway, I have already listed numerous other countries in Europe which has decent economies and are the same or smaller size, and noth of them go on about not being about to survive without being a member of a larger neighbour.



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What the hell are u talking about?

I never insulted you



Actually you called me 'stupid' just a second ago. I flave my Msc in Political Research card to prove thats not the case, problem is normally when I do you start calling me arogant as well.


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i insulted alex salmond ...so what i hate the guy, dont take it so bloody personaly. Its not that when your insulting your fellow brits like tony blair and so on , see it works 2 ways .



I'm not taking it personally, your the one calling people 'stupid', I'm just pointing out to really seem to have a negative bias against those who want independence and just wondering if that could affect your willingness to see any evidence that shows Britain is detrimental to Scotland.

Also drop that 'wanting independence is insulting English' rubbish or whatever it was that your implying but claiming I insult 'fellow brits'. As I have stated a thousand times on this site, but always to deaf ears, having national pride and wishing self-determination for your people does not count as racism. Unless you want to claim your fear of Brussels is racist?... as far as I know it isn't. So its actually you should be aware that it works 2-ways.


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BTW your not in the majority pal. If you were the SNP would be in charge in the scottish parliament wouldt they?



Again, your sounding very aggressive for what is supposed to be a freindly chat (although its getting increasingly hard to keep a civil tongue with you when your in this mood).

But if we take into account that 18% of the electorate in Scotland arn't Scottish, then take into account that 20% of those who vote Labour want independence are just traditionally Labour votes (to keep the Tories out or something, who knows how these people's minds work). Also take into account that the last election was dne after our worst leader ever, then that total comes a lot closer together.

Also a lot of those who don't want independence are the same ones who spout that 'Small countries can't make it on there own' Tory slogan from Thatcher's day.


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So why dont you give the majority a chance to speak their opinion as you do and stop accusing us of being anti-scottish and insulting.


I have never accused you of being anti-Scottish, your the one who came up with that arguement, started talking about sports etc and has gotten on a high horse, getting paraniod and defensive and snapping. You are insulting though, as you tone is not only hostile but you have already called me names such as 'stupid'. I'm just trying to have a mature debate here, why can't you?


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We have freedom and we live in luxury (for the most)


Well maybe you do, but I can't agree with you on that. Not while the average wage in Scotland (central belt) is 6% less than in England and climbs to 16% less in the Highlands.


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I dont want to simply survive , i love being scottish AND being british.


Again your being defensive. As I recall I've not said anything contary. Again I'm trying to have an intellegence debate and am asking questions. Your getting all hostile and acting as if I'm trying to convert you, if you recall it was you who first commented on my politics and started this mess not the other way around.


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BTW if the majority wanted indepence id disagreebut id get on with it.


Somehow I doubt that, humans have a tendancy to be vocal about their politics.




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Posted 06 February 2005 - 07:08 PM

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What? You think what football and Rugby you support somehow reflects on how much you love your country? Don't be so stupid


i think youll find you called me stupid in the above comment , i responded to that insult.

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