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#1    Talon

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Posted 05 January 2005 - 01:58 AM

Germany nears 1990 jobless level
German unemployment rose for the 11th consecutive month in December - making the year's average jobless total the highest since reunification.

The seasonally adjusted jobless total rose a higher than expected 17,000 to 4.483 million, the Bundesbank said.

Allowing for changes in calculating statistics, the average number of people out of work was the highest since 1990 - or a rate of 10.8%.

Bad weather and a sluggish economy were blamed for the rise.

The increase "was due primarily to the onstart of winter", labour office chief Frank-Juergen Weise said.

Reform worries

Unadjusted, the figures showed unemployment rose 206,900 to 4.64 million - with many sectors such as construction laying off workers amid bad weather.

"The three years of stagnation in the German economy came to an end in 2004. But the upturn is still not strong enough" to boost the labour market, Mr Weise added.

News of the rise came as government welfare reforms came into force, a move that is expected to see unemployment swell still further in coming months.

Under the Hartz IV changes, the previous two tier system of benefits and support for the long term unemployed has been replaced with one flat-rate payout.

In turn, that means more people will be classified as looking for work, driving official figures higher.

'Nasty' news ahead

"Be prepared for a nasty figure for January 2005, about five million unemployed on a non-seasonally adjusted basis," warned HVB Group economist Andreas Rees.

But he did add that the numbers should "subside" throughout the year, to remain near 2004's level of 4.4 million jobless.

"I don't expect a strong and lasting turnaround until 2006," German Economy minister Wolfgang Clement said.

By 2010, however, the Hartz IV reforms should help cut the average jobless rate to between 3% and 5%, he added.

Europe's biggest economy has been too weak to create work as it struggles to shake off three years of economic stagnation.

In recent months companies such as Adam Opel - the German arm of US carmaker General Motors - and retailer KarstadtQuelle have slashed jobs.


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http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/business/4146535.stm


See, this is why fascism is on the rise again in Germany.

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Posted 05 January 2005 - 03:16 AM

facism is on the rise through much of europse


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Posted 05 January 2005 - 03:27 AM

10% unemployment!!!!!????? hmm.gif that's amazing.


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Posted 05 January 2005 - 03:29 AM

aren't most socialist european countries floating around at that mark?


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Posted 05 January 2005 - 07:31 AM

Geez thats horrible.Its something the government really needs to get their act togethet on, the human suffering from this is just far too great.
Down under unemployment is at record low with it hovering around 5% and even dropping under that!


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Posted 05 January 2005 - 07:54 AM

In the US the unemployment rate is right around 5% or below and has been for several years. Here in the mid-west it is closer to 3% and the city I live in it's around 2%. We have tons of food-service establishments here ( too many in my opinion)  so even if the factories cut back on personal there are always plenty of jobs available for those who want them. Working in food service management for many years in my area taught me that it was much harder to keep good employees than find ways to pay them.

I also read that Canada's unemployment rate was near 10%, is that really true? If so, does anyone know why?


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Posted 05 January 2005 - 08:03 AM

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See, this is why fascism is on the rise again in Germany.

No excuse.
And 10% isn't that much. Maybe it is a big number for the "use to be well fed" Western Germans ("Western" here means Western Germany vs. Eastern tongue.gif), but it's not that much.
If fascism is on the rise in a country with such a horrible history about it with some low unemployment, then I'm sorry - the Germans seriously need to reavaluate their education system at once disgust.gif.

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Posted 05 January 2005 - 08:20 AM

because of taxes, these countries have taxes that aren't very business friendly, also i think the welfare system also removes incentive to work (i'm being very general here, correct me if i'm wrong though)


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Posted 05 January 2005 - 08:51 AM

The Turks in Germany are probably getting a bit nervous right about now.  If a far-right government comes to power the Turks will find themselves blamed for all the country's ills and can expect discrimination and persecution.  Sounds familiar, doesn't it?

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Posted 05 January 2005 - 09:51 AM

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facism is on the rise through much of europse


And the rest of the world isn't much better, so don't try and turn this into an anti-european issue.

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aren't most socialist european countries floating around at that mark?


Hate to break it to you, all European nations are capitalist just as much as yours.


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No excuse.
And 10% isn't that much. Maybe it is a big number for the "use to be well fed" Western Germans ("Western" here means Western Germany vs. Eastern ), but it's not that much.
If fascism is on the rise in a country with such a horrible history about it with some low unemployment, then I'm sorry - the Germans seriously need to reavaluate their education system at once .


You can shout 'no excuse'  all you want, doesn't matter. Thats what happens. Hitler got in during desperation during unemployment. All countries around the world vote for extremists in such times.


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because of taxes, these countries have taxes that aren't very business friendly, also i think the welfare system also removes incentive to work (i'm being very general here, correct me if i'm wrong though)


Oh shut up. Just because we beleive in helping others and you believe people should in a better state of life should hold onto ever penny just proves that we have better morals than you, bugger all to do this welfare. If you even bothered to read a book on the subject and even show a little intellegence for once and educate yourself on an issue before you open your mouth and show how uneducated you are you'd know that you can only sign on welfare if you are actively looking for a job.

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Posted 05 January 2005 - 09:57 AM

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You can shout 'no excuse' all you want, doesn't matter. Thats what happens. Hitler got in during desperation during unemployment. All countries around the world vote for extremists in such times.

You and I have a debate about that subject... let's not drag it into here as well, ok? wink2.gif

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Posted 05 January 2005 - 10:01 AM

Yeah, shouldn't give each other practice laugh.gif

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Posted 05 January 2005 - 01:01 PM

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Oh shut up. Just because we beleive in helping others and you believe people should in a better state of life should hold onto ever penny just proves that we have better morals than you, bugger all to do this welfare. If you even bothered to read a book on the subject and even show a little intellegence for once and educate yourself on an issue before you open your mouth and show how uneducated you are you'd know that you can only sign on welfare if you are actively looking for a job.


oh please, just because someone is actively looking for a job doesn't mean they a) will get a job or cool.gif have any intention of getting said jobs, i know people in australia who are on welfare and aren't actually looking for jobs, they just do the bare minimum to stay on welfare with no real intention of getting said jobs. As i said, i was being general, and it was in response to why such countries have such high unemployment rates. Is it the only reason for such high unemployment rates? no, so shut it

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And the rest of the world isn't much better, so don't try and turn this into an anti-european issue.


hey your brought up facism, merely adding an additional comment to what was already offtopic:P

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Hate to break it to you, all European nations are capitalist just as much as yours.


no sh**? whats your point? i was discussing reasons for high unemployment rates.


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Posted 05 January 2005 - 07:17 PM

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hey your brought up facism, merely adding an additional comment to what was already offtopic:P


Your one to talk on fascism in Europe considering how Australia treated the natives.


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Hate to break it to you, all European nations are capitalist just as much as yours.



no sh**? whats your point? i was discussing reasons for high unemployment rates.


My point is their capitalists. And for all your 'no sh*t' you called them socialist as if somehow the left is to blame. Under socialism there can't be unemployment (unless due to injury) because in socialist systems the state recognises people's right and need to work and so will even pay people to dig holes and others to fill them right up. The concept to would lost as wasteful to capitalists such as yourself, however this is because socialist societies arenít motivated by profit but rather the good of its people are we, unlike your own ideology of capitalism which would allow children to live in the gutter simply for an extra coin at the end of the day.

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oh please, just because someone is actively looking for a job doesn't mean they a) will get a job or† have any intention of getting said jobs, i know people in australia who are on welfare and aren't actually looking for jobs, they just do the bare minimum to stay on welfare with no real intention of getting said jobs. As i said, i was being general, and it was in response to why such countries have such high unemployment rates. Is it the only reason for such high unemployment rates? no, so shut it


If you ever bothered to read Marx's work you'd find welfare cheats would come under the term lumpenproletariat who were sell-outs to the capitalists and lived off the labour of their fellow working man. In socialist societies they and others like them such as criminals would be seen as enemies of the state, and welfare kept for those the Trade Unions fought for such as the injured, poor and temporary employed. It is your capitalist system which allows for welfare cheats not the left-wing welfare system which is the only thing that separates our current society from that of a century ago when workers worked 12 hours days without breaks, no sanatory, no medical coverage, no holidays, and if they died on the job nobody blinked an eye.

If your so in love with capitalism and so hate socialism, why don't you jump into a time machine and go back to your perfect world when jobs were only gained by queuing at the docks every morning in hope your on of the 1000 picked to work that day. All for a loaf of bread to feed your pre-teenage children, who as working-class don't go to school but rather work as chimmysweeps, their legs bent like bows from rickets disease, caused by drinking polluted water because the sewage system shares its pipes with household water. And if you injury yourself, you can't go to hospital because your not rich enough, and you can't claim sick pay because welfare is frowned upon by laisez-fair authorities. Instead your family losses its main earner and survives only on the food your children bring to your table, destined to hand the same lifestyle onto their own children.


Bathory, know why I hate the ignorance of youself and others like you so much? Its because its people with ideologies like yours built poor houses which broke up families and put them into labour camps in exchange for a rood because they couldnít find work; people like you who believed it was enough for a working-class family to live a empty flat with 2 rooms; people like though 20,000 deaths a year from hazardous work conditions was acceptable in the name of profit; people like you allowed thousands of children to die before seeing the 5th birthday because a proper health service might cost you a little extra in tax; people like you that meant that in the 1800s the average UK working-class lifespan was fell as low as 17 years, rising 25 if you were lucky.

Edited by Talon S., 05 January 2005 - 08:33 PM.

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Posted 06 January 2005 - 04:42 AM

to everything talon posted

please take what i said in context dumbass, many european countries have adopted socialist policies,  whine all you want, its these policies that are causing such high rates of unemployment.  

Oh and PLEASE don't even assume to know my stance on welfare in general, i do believe there needs to be systems in place to catch those that fall through the gaps, but nothing to the extent seen in europe, these countries are losing BUCKET loads of cash trying to support their welfare programs, to support their healthcare, and its only going to get worse.  The money has to come from somewhere, and if things go the way they are, it won't be sustainable.

You and your god damn black and whites, pure capitalism is just as harmful as pure socialism.

Oh and hey, lets also ignore that my comments were in response to WHY there are such high f@#king unemployment rates. Australia has welfare systems, Australia has healthcare, and you'll notice its got 1/2 the unemployment rate, enjoy b****, and stop taking things to the extreme and trying to pretend thats where my position is.

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Your one to talk on fascism in Europe considering how Australia treated the natives.


you've got to be kidding right?







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