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#1    Lottie

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Posted 16 January 2005 - 12:11 PM

German politicians have called for Nazi symbols to be banned throughout Europe after Prince Harry was pictured wearing a swastika to a fancy dress party.

The Liberal group in the European Parliament says all of Europe suffered because of the crimes of the Nazis, so there should be a continent-wide ban.

A senior Christian Democrat said the proposal may be discussed at the next meeting of European justice ministers.

The symbols are already banned under German law.

The photograph of Harry in a costume with a Nazi swastika armband was taken at a friend's birthday party in Wiltshire last weekend.

Vice-president of the Christian Democratic parliamentary group Wolfgang Bosback said the outfit "really lacked taste".


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He said it was possible European justice ministers would discuss bringing in a European prohibition on displaying the swastika and other Nazi signs.

Liberal group vice-president Silvana Koch-Merin said: "All of Europe has suffered in the past because of the crimes of the Nazis, therefore it would be logical for Nazi symbols to be banned all over Europe."

She also called for the question to be placed on the agenda at the next meeting of justice ministers.

The vice-president of the parliamentary Social Democratic group, Michael Mueller, said a study was needed to find out how a German-style anti-Nazi law could be applied to the rest of Europe.

Apologising in a statement on Wednesday, the prince said: "I am very sorry if I caused any offence or embarrassment to anyone. It was a poor choice of costume and I apologise."


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On Friday, Prince Harry received the public backing of his aunt, Sarah Ferguson.

The Duchess of York told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "Harry is a fine young man. He needs to be supported now.

"It is time for the press to back off."

The leader of the UK Conservative Party, Michael Howard, and the Liberal Democrat leader Charles Kennedy have led calls for a personal public apology, and the Prince has also been criticised by foreign politicians.

Veteran forces sweetheart Vera Lynn has added her voice to calls for him to visit a former death camp.

Some critics have said the prince should join a British delegation which is visiting the Auschwitz death camp for the 60th anniversary of its liberation later this month.

The UK's Ministry of Defence has said the incident will not affect Prince Harry's place at Sandhurst military academy.

It is the latest in a series of stories involving Prince Harry - who is third in line to the British throne - which have earned him a media reputation as the "party prince".

source: bbc news




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Posted 16 January 2005 - 02:09 PM

Awwww!!!! Now how am I supposed to know who to shoot?

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Posted 16 January 2005 - 02:09 PM

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Posted 16 January 2005 - 02:16 PM

Agreed. It should have been banned years ago.


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Posted 16 January 2005 - 02:17 PM

ACTUALLY ur all deluded twats lol...

nah ill tell u what i mean.

The swastika predates naziism.

We cant ban it , thats ridiculous.

For the sikh religion the swastika is a sign of peace.



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Posted 16 January 2005 - 02:21 PM

Wun, I happen to know the swastika predates Nazism, but the fact is that in Europe it became a symbol of Nazism, plane and simple, and will stay that way for many years.

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Posted 16 January 2005 - 02:25 PM

So because of the deeds of the Nazis, other groups to whom the swastika is an entirely benign symbol should be prevented from using it?

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Posted 16 January 2005 - 02:26 PM

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Wun, I happen to know the swastika predates Nazism, but the fact is that in Europe it became a symbol of Nazism, plane and simple, and will stay that way for many years.


Bad things have been committed in the name of anythin .

We cant ban symbols that mean something dfifferent to another culture , sikhs live in europe too.

I understand where ur comin from though believe me i do.

I hate the red hand of ulster becuse of what i represents but it existed before paramilitary organisations hijacked it.....

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Posted 16 January 2005 - 02:32 PM

The swastika is one of the most common, famous, and oldest symbols in human history! How could they possibly ban it?! It has been used from Native Americans to Samurai clans! I can not think of one culture, race, or religion that has not used it!

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Posted 16 January 2005 - 02:43 PM

well, I think they should allow it only for certain religious groups, because they too do not use it in the same way the Nazis do. Meaning - they'll have to get a pass to use it.
But those sikhs should realise when they come to different culture, what is appropriate, and what's not.
And the swastika shouldn't represent evil only for me and my ppl - Hitler threatened all of Europe, and comitted crimes against the Poles, for example, and other eastern Europeans, the very same place where neo-Nazism is most common today.

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Posted 16 January 2005 - 02:48 PM

Does anyone think that maybe even groups as repulsive as the neo-Nazis have a right to express themselves? And from a practical point of view, the best way to deal with people like this is to give them a legal avenue of expression. If you start cracking down on them in this way you could force them underground, give them a persecution complex and maybe drive them to more extreme measures.

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Posted 16 January 2005 - 02:50 PM

After they ban it, I wonder what they'd do if someone goes around with the mirrored (original) version of the swastika...

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Posted 16 January 2005 - 03:22 PM

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The swastika is one of the most common, famous, and oldest symbols in human history! How could they possibly ban it?! It has been used from Native Americans to Samurai clans! I can not think of one culture, race, or religion that has not used it!


I understand that it is one of the oldest symbols in history but unfortunately it has become in our time now infamous throughout the world as a symbol of evil, hatred, racism and murder- Nazism. Therefore I am glad that it is being banned.

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Does anyone think that maybe even groups as repulsive as the neo-Nazis have a right to express themselves?


No. I am all for freedom of speech but people like this are nothing more than scum and by allowing them to express themselves through the use of a symbol that incorporates everything that was evil under Hitlers reign is just wrong. Not just that but it is completely disrespectful to cultures that use it as a symbol of peace.

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If you start cracking down on them in this way you could force them underground, give them a persecution complex and maybe drive them to more extreme measures.


Most of these pathetic groups are underground anyway, I doubt it would give them a persecution complex because we are talking about people who really could not careless about how others view them.

Edited by Lottie, 16 January 2005 - 03:24 PM.


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Posted 16 January 2005 - 03:25 PM

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No. I am all for freedom of speech but people like this are nothing more than scum and by allowing them to express themselves through the use of a symbol that incorporates everything that was evil under Hitlers reign is just wrong. Not just that but it is completely disrespectful to cultures that use it as a symbol of peace.


Its ironic actually... you're sounding like Hitler now, do you realise that?

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Posted 16 January 2005 - 03:27 PM

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No. I am all for freedom of speech but people like this are nothing more than scum and by allowing them to express themselves through the use of a symbol that incorporates everything that was evil under Hitlers reign is just wrong. Not just that but it is completely disrespectful to cultures that use it as a symbol of peace


free speech is free speech.

If its within the constraints they must be allowed their say, as wrong as what theyre saying may be.

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