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[warden]

STILLCRAZY thank you very much

I know mosqs are being used in britian to brain wash young easily led muslims and non muslims into doing horific acts,some thing they would probarly never think of doing untill being told by a higher power that you will be forgiven by alah and be welcomed with open arms etc

Some mosqs were being used for passport fruad ,getting people from other countries giveing them false id and then haveing the freedom to go any where in the world undetected....why?

When people on this site show me this and that ,i dont believe you and you show them ,they still dont believe you and start to blame others or attack you

It has become the norm ...so sad

My post was saying for the people who are easily blinded,If a cleric who is a muslim,who preched hatred and violence in the name of Islam recruited some one who was easily fooled planted a bomb in a british street and blew up your family while out shoping would your view still be the same

[cyberlord]

iam not offended , in fact i respect ur oppinion ....
first i don't know what is the meaning of cleric (sorry but iam not a native speaker )
the confussing sometimes may happen when people think that these people are good muslims ...
in islam is a complete system that is not only praying and doing religious duties .. islam view is far deeper than that , it extind to all life .... once people said to the prophet that a woman do all religios duties and pray and .... but she hurts her neighbours , then the prophet said she is in hell ......
and these ways like wahhabi starts when someone  that is religious and a good person start to teach muslims , so the followers are named on his name , and the followers teach another generation and so on … but the wrong all wrong when they start to be stric and invent laws from their own and say that is islam ……
another thing that the writers of the research are unknown so u can't say this is a trusty research …. But as I don't live in suadi then there is a possibility that the research is right ….
Now imagine this … most of muslims don't follow islam …. Islamic countries  don't rule with islam , as a result we are the lowest countries …. So when this religious man sees that and feels the humiliation of the situation then (as pressure makes explosion) he wants to change it … but instead of following the teachings of islam he take it to an extreme and become stric that will do anything (even if it against islam it self !) to success ……
Another type of them those who don't know islam well , and they learn islam from such stric people … so when there teachers teach them something they follow it because they think it is islam ….
Another type are who misunderstand islam and take the shell leaving the essence …
These people when they reach that level they start to take what they like from islam and leave what they don't like and start to make laws of their own …
There is something I want to clearify , first the term of holy war have never been used by muslims from the beginnig of their history …
As to the term Jihad … in islam jihad is used by different meaning like jihad of the self which means to do all what u can so u follow God's way and don't follow the devil ….. and other meanings , but as for the military meaning then that it's two parts …. 1- fighting the people who enslave there nations and don't allow the religious freedom ( in this age this goal is not needed any more ) … 2- to protect the Islamic nations from those who attack them ….
So jihad is an Islamic healthy princible and it is logical like what Palestinians do against zion's in Palestine and other Islamic nations ….
But jihad is not called jihad and it's not allowed by islam unless it had certain characteristics which are called jihad morals or ethicts ….so when the people who pretend to fight under the name of islam and starts to kill children , women , old men , innocent people and unarmed … or don't follow the morals of jihad … these people aren't true muslims …….
And I think that when u read Islamic history at the time that muslims were truly muslims and they were the greatest nation who taught the world freedom , science and how to live u will see what I mean

[cyberlord]

my last post was for STILLCRAZY
as for u warden i still don't know what is ur point and what are u trying to say ....
just tell me ur opinion in a clear sentence honestly and directly ...

[warden]

This is not to get at you Cyberlord or any one else before i start

In Britian i know we are only told by all aspects of the media what makes so called headline news,so like every one else...i hope...i take most of it with a big pinch of salt

We as a country are becoming a joke...Britian.....our borders are open to abuse that its becoming a joke

Many people are comming here for good reasons but there are many who are comming here for a certain reason...to be trained in the art of terism...sorry for the spelling...There are mosqe`s getting used by muslims to preach hatred and to brain wash many young men into believing that to sacrafice your self in the name of Alah ,no matter how many inocent people you kill is fine

The name cleric i think is similar if you were a priest in the catholic church,any way there are clerics who preach peace ,thats what i would expect and there are clerics who preach hatred ,violence,death to all people who dare stand in there way no matter what country or religion you are from

These same clerics are all muslim and all preach the islamic faith

This is why i think many muslims in Britian are confused ,one minute they are peacefull and full of love and the next violent and full of hate

If the clerics who are teaching peace and harmony openly know the ones who are teaching violence and murder why arent they doing any thing about it,instead they leave it to the media to hipe it up,which inturn turns non muslims against peacefull muslims and then we end up with the tag of RACIST

This is what my point was ,some times as you have noticed i am not the best at getting my point across

[cyberlord]

The name cleric i think is similar if you were a priest in the catholic church,

well i think that's the point of confussen u have ... in islam no one no matter how religious he was no matter how islamic knowledge he have has a holy state ..... there is no such thing in islam as priest or pope  or anything like that , islamic scientists only teach islam and explain it ... they don't have a holy being that makes them can't mistake or what they say is true .. nothing like that ....
and please , haven't i prooven that these have nothing to do with islam , that they have there own sick way of thinking ... the thing that happens is that make the followers of there thinking under the cover of religion , there is one islam , and islam says one thing about this ...
and that also proofs that they don't hold islamic faith , they even don't know islam well or they want to pass through these ideas under the cover of islam ....
mosques as they are a place of praying and worshiping in islam , they until now a places of learning and education in both normal science and islamic , these people teach in mosques and pass through there ideas to ignorant muslims ... mosques don't produce terrorism ......
let me tell u somethings these people or clercks or what u call them that u seperated muslims into team of them and team of who call for peace , how many are they ? thousands ? million ? 10 million ? even if we said that they are TEN MILLIONS , do u know that muslims are more than 1/5 of the world population ? how can u generalise a minority on the majority ?.......
another thing to make my point clear , what do u think crossaders , those who killed and slayed muslims in the name of christianity ? about spain that it's army entered north africa singing in killing muslims ? what about britain that conquested many islamic countries ? france that did the same and recently they forbad hijab ? Bush that said that the war he is making is a crossader war ?
let's take a crossaders for example , they weren't a groub or organization they were whole beings , blessed by priests and popes to conquest islamic world , they killed , slaved , did horrible things that even their sons of today are ashamed of in the name of christianaty , tell me do u agree that i say that was from christianaty ?

[warden]

The name cleric i think is similar if you were a priest in the catholic church,

well i think that's the point of confussen u have ... in islam no one no matter how religious he was no matter how islamic knowledge he have has a holy state ..... there is no such thing in islam as priest or pope  or anything like that , islamic scientists only teach islam and explain it ... they don't have a holy being that makes them can't mistake or what they say is true .. nothing like that ....
and please , haven't i prooven that these have nothing to do with islam , that they have there own sick way of thinking ... the thing that happens is that make the followers of there thinking under the cover of religion , there is one islam , and islam says one thing about this ...
and that also proofs that they don't hold islamic faith , they even don't know islam well or they want to pass through these ideas under the cover of islam ....
mosques as they are a place of praying and worshiping in islam , they until now a places of learning and education in both normal science and islamic , these people teach in mosques and pass through there ideas to ignorant muslims ... mosques don't produce terrorism ......
let me tell u somethings these people or clercks or what u call them that u seperated muslims into team of them and team of who call for peace , how many are they ? thousands ? million ? 10 million ? even if we said that they are TEN MILLIONS , do u know that muslims are more than 1/5 of the world population ? how can u generalise a minority on the majority ?.......
another thing to make my point clear , what do u think crossaders , those who killed and slayed muslims in the name of christianity ? about spain that it's army entered north africa singing in killing muslims ? what about britain that conquested many islamic countries ? france that did the same and recently they forbad hijab ? Bush that said that the war he is making is a crossader war ?
let's take a crossaders for example , they weren't a groub or organization they were whole beings , blessed by priests and popes to conquest islamic world , they killed , slaved , did horrible things that even their sons of today are ashamed of in the name of christianaty , tell me do u agree that i say that was from christianaty ?

only people that have a faith have confussion ,not me
you mention priest or pope where did you get that from?
I seperated no one into any thing,you did though,How many are they,you are trying to give figures,i only gave you a few examples to start with
I didnt generalise,but you are trying to ...i wonder why
You keep bringing up the past..hhhmmm,i wonder why,stick to what is happening now
back to the pope angle,have you got some thing against christians?
Why would i agree with any thing you say when you try to bend and twist the start of my post into some thing that makes you feel better about your self

I dont believe in any form of religion,thats why i dont drag the past up about invasions,wars crusades...99% of the time done threw the lie of religion
When you ask in future of generaliseation,dont bend it to attack a post in future just dont ask

The last thing i will say is this ,,,,,why is it every one i speak to about religions,gods you all seem to be taken HEART ATTACKS
Relax forget religion andlike me have no worries and enjoy life,i know i do....do you?

[cyberlord]

Now I see the secret of ur argument …..
First of all what I was going to say was based on the fact that who iam talking to is christian or at least have a religion so forget what I said….
And u have separated muslims or clerics as u like to call them to who wants peace and who want terror , I didn't give u figures because these people are very little and a less of a minority … they are lost sheeps and when u take these people as an example of islam that's very wrong ……..
And I don't have anything against christians , I can't keep repeating my self …
And I think I made my self clear many times , where exactly iam twisting ?

When you ask in future of generaliseation,dont bend it to attack a post in future just dont ask

didn't understand

believe me , I didn't have a heart attack … and do u really enjoy ur life? ……..
please , I don't anyone in this age with the great scientific development can still of not believing in God …..
and I have a strong faith in my religion I don't fear to read about other believes and discuss them as I believe not religion is better and nothing can destroy my belief , that's why I read about everything u can imagine , christianity , jewish , wicca , ancient religions , buddhest and far more , and every time my believe increases in islam …..
so ,  do u have strong believe that there is no God ? then have u entered the sites I mentioned before? , if u have strong believe why r u afraid ?
I think that's also what makes me feel when I read ur posts that u don't know what u r talking about and what u r basing on , as I repeat the same fact u keep asking about it ..

Sorry if u looked offensive …….

Edited by cyberlord, 02 February 2005 - 07:07 PM.

[Talon]

I agree with stillcrazy

[cyberlord]

I agree with stillcrazy

ya ,and i think i made up my point very clear ... if not so please say .....

[Talon]

Whats not clear, I agree with Still

[warden]

I agree with this one ...i agree with that one...

Dont just agree say it in a post so i can see what you realy think

By the way ..i dont agree  

[cyberlord]

Now I see the secret of ur argument …..
First of all what I was going to say was based on the fact that who iam talking to is christian or at least have a religion so forget what I said….
And u have separated muslims or clerics as u like to call them to who wants peace and who want terror , I didn't give u figures because these people are very little and a less of a minority … they are lost sheeps and when u take these people as an example of islam that's very wrong ……..
And I don't have anything against christians , I can't keep repeating my self …
And I think I made my self clear many times , where exactly iam twisting ?

When you ask in future of generaliseation,dont bend it to attack a post in future just dont ask

didn't understand

believe me , I didn't have a heart attack … and do u really enjoy ur life? ……..
please , I don't anyone in this age with the great scientific development can still of not believing in God …..
and I have a strong faith in my religion I don't fear to read about other believes and discuss them as I believe not religion is better and nothing can destroy my belief , that's why I read about everything u can imagine , christianity , jewish , wicca , ancient religions , buddhest and far more , and every time my believe increases in islam …..
so ,  do u have strong believe that there is no God ? then have u entered the sites I mentioned before? , if u have strong believe why r u afraid ?
I think that's also what makes me feel when I read ur posts that u don't know what u r talking about and what u r basing on , as I repeat the same fact u keep asking about it ..

Sorry if u looked offensive …….

warden , i haven't seen u replaying on this post of mine ...