[Abductor]

The alien ships could be driven telekineticly, or the controls are activated by a telekinetic response which creates a visual and clickable halogram.

[dunderhead]

This could explain
why no controls are found in recovered crashed discs?

How do you know that?

Years of research!

The alien ships could be driven telekineticly, or the controls are activated by a telekinetic response which creates a visual and clickable halogram.

I've heard of this before!

[eckogangsta]

This could explain
why no controls are found in recovered crashed discs?

How do you know that?

Years of research!

And the research/source is where? (im curious because im a strong alien/ufo believer but ive never heard this before)

This post has been edited by eckogangsta: 28 February 2005 - 10:57 PM

[antiaging]

This could explain
why no controls are found in recovered crashed discs?

How do you know that?

Years of research!

The alien ships could be driven telekineticly, or the controls are activated by a telekinetic response which creates a visual and clickable halogram.

I've heard of this before!

There was a guy in the 1970s, that was researching plants with a lie detector. He found out, that plants have some kind of a small electric response if he thinks about them. [He also found out that if he killed a lot of plants recently, like cutting the grass, and he got near a plant hooked up to the lie detector, the plant would have a reaction like it fainted.] So this guy connected up his garage door opener with electronic equipment that would amplify an electrical impulse and use it to open his garage door. He connected that equipment to the lie detector that was connected to a plant at his house. He found out that if he would think about that plant while driving and getting close to his house, there would be a reaction in the plant that would trigger the lie detector, and the electrical impulses would be amplified and then they would open his garage door automatically.
So he could telekinetically open his garage door as he got close to his home using only his mind, thinking about that plant.
[I think I remember reading about this in that book, PSYCHIC DISCOVERIES BEHIND THE IRON CURTAIN - but I am not sure of that. It could have been in another book. It was a long time ago.]
I remember a book called, THE SECRET LIFE OF PLANTS, it may have been in that book.

This post has been edited by antiaging: 01 March 2005 - 03:58 AM

[aquatus1]

A lie detector on plants?

[antiaging]

A lie detector on plants?

http://www.earthpuls...cts/secret.html
Brief summary of "the secret life of plants" at that website; it's a famous book. Much research was done with plants and lie detectors, and there were very unusual things happening.

[aquatus1]

Haven't read the book nor read reviews on it; I will and post here what I find. I will however, comment on lie detectors, being that I did take a course on their operation in my time as a Naval Master-at-Arms.

Lie detectors work on the principle that the the stress of lying of lying will produce certain physiological responses withing the human body. Three of these responses are measured by the lie detector. Those three are the Respiratory Rate, which is how fast you are breathing, the Electro-Dermal number, which is how sweaty your skin is, and the Blood Pressure/Heart Rate, which is how fast your heart is beating.

None of the these three, nor, for any matter, any physiological response that I can think of within the human body, are replicated by any plant in the world. I cannot think of any way in which a lie detector could be used to detect anything about a plant. Where would you strap the rubber tube that measures the expansion of your chest? Where would the lead that measures the heart beat of your finger go? Where would the patch that tests the conductivity of your skin be placed?

Whether the book has credible data in it or not, and I will withhold my opinion until I read the peer reviews, these are questions that will need to be answered.

[antiaging]

Haven't read the book nor read reviews on it; I will and post here what I find.  I will however, comment on lie detectors, being that I did take a course on their operation in my time as a Naval Master-at-Arms.

Lie detectors work on the principle that the the stress of lying of lying will produce certain physiological responses withing the human body.  Three of these responses are measured by the lie detector.  Those three are the Respiratory Rate, which is how fast you are breathing, the Electro-Dermal number, which is how sweaty your skin is, and the Blood Pressure/Heart Rate, which is how fast your heart is beating.

None of the these three, nor, for any matter, any physiological response that I can think of within the human body, are replicated by any plant in the world.  I cannot think of any way in which a lie detector could be used to detect anything about a plant.  Where would you strap the rubber tube that measures the expansion of your chest?  Where would the lead that measures the heart beat of your finger go?  Where would the patch that tests the conductivity of your skin be placed?

Whether the book has credible data in it or not, and I will withhold my opinion until I read the peer reviews, these are questions that will need to be answered.

I think the response on plants has to do with electrical conductivity, but I am not sure of that.
That guy that used a plant with a lie detector to telekinetically open a garage door with his mind, demonstrated the possibility of controlling machines with the mind alone. I believe that ufos are probably controlled by the minds of the occupants, which is part of the reason why they can change direction so quickly in rapid response to being controlled so quickly. I saw something about the crashed Roswell ufo on TV and the control panel they showed had what looked like a place where the open hand of the occupant is placed, palm down. They said that was a representation of the real control panel. This might indicate mind control of the ufo using the aura energy of the occupant's hand to activate the control of the ufo; the occupant's aura under direct control of his mind.

This was the sort of thing you saw in the movie, "the Day the Earth Stood Still", where Michael Renni, (Clatu) would just wave his hand past the controls and something would happen. I know that this is just a science fiction movie, but some of the well made science fiction movies about ufos, show real secrets of ufos, that the public doesn't know about, but they are known to certain people. The movie, Close Encounters of the Third Kind, for example was supposed to be based on real ufo encounters, to make it realistic. The Day the Earth Stood Still may have been made that way also.

[Babs]

This is fantastic and answers all of my questions. So you believe the UFO occupants are angels come from a super energy or god? Could you explain this part more?

[aquatus1]

Well, I have read the reviews and a few excerpts from the book itself, and looked up some info on the studies quoted by the author.

Cleve Backster, first published his studies concerning galvanic 'skin' responses on plants in the International Journal of Parapsychology in 1968, a journal which does not have either peer review or data disclosure. Further experiments using proper controls and methodology have not been able to duplicate the results Backster's claims. have been thoroughly refuted by qualified scientists using proper controls. Considering this person's work represents a great majority of the supporting argument for this book, the lack of credibility of the study, and the inability to replicate the results, is a serious blow.

By far the majority of the reviews were written by believers in the paranormal or supernatural, not by people familiar with scientific methodology. In short, much of the books support was derived from popularity, not from objectivity. The galvanic skin tester of a lie detector machine is designed to test the conductivity of human skin, which is very different in nature to the cellulose wall of a plant, and there is nothing to indicate that the conductivity of a cellulose wall in a plant would change in response to a perceived threat, psychic or otherwise.

I cannot consider the book "The Secret Life of Plants" to be a credible source of information. There are simply too many red flags on the experiments.

[Babs]

I remember that plant experiment. I think it was done once and people wanted to look into it more and found that it didn't pan out. They got different results on the experiments, so you heard no more about it.

What about the plant growing to beautiful music or music that the owner perceived as beautiful? Wasn't that a valid experiment?....along with the threat to a plant 'making it grow even more?'....

[Babs]

So, we're talking about mental telepathy in the UFO. The UFO can read your thoughts...or the occupants can read your thoughts. Interesting, and fits all the sightings and abduction stories.

[aquatus1]

I actually read about that nearly a decade ago...it seems that the music was responsible for the better health of the plant, but not because the plant cared about the music, but rather because the music made the person taking care of the plant do so in a more devoted way.

[aquatus1]

So, we're talking about mental telepathy in the UFO. The UFO can read your thoughts...or the occupants can read your thoughts. Interesting, and fits all the sightings and abduction stories.

I don't know...

Seems to me that a species so advanced and knowledgble about humans that it can communicate telephaticaly with them would really not have any need to abduct people and stick probes in uncofortable places. How could they know so much about the human mind, and not the body?

[alienspit]

So, we're talking about mental telepathy in the UFO. The UFO can read your thoughts...or the occupants can read your thoughts. Interesting, and fits all the sightings and abduction stories.

you have watched independence day to many times me thinks