[dmgspycat]

The preists that went in to the ark wore two chords one was made of gold and one was made of linen.Both were wrapped around each ankle. If the preist was unsuccessful then he would be pulled out by the gold chord. The ark was fashioned in such a way as to mimic an electronic device called a capacitor which stores a charge and releases it all at once which accounts for the strange deaths around it. It is a gold box which stores a chargre. The Egyptians fooled the masses into believing that this embellished Layden Jar was "GOD". The technology was Egyptian. Carried out of Egypt by the Hebrews. If you could go back in time with a lighter maybe they would call you a god too? Anyway...it sounds like the gold chord was some kind of ground used to dissipate the charge. You know they have found battery type devices capable of storing a charge in Egypt. The technology was probably poorly understood or they might have had lightbulbs a lot sooner.

[aquatus1]

Why do people keep saying the Baghdad Batteries were found in Egypt? They had nothing to do with Egypt. They were in Iraq, there were only twelve of them, there is no sign that they were ever used for anything of a practical or constructive nature (no, no ancient electroplated object has ever been found), and all twelve hooked together would have produced a stunning 8 volt charge.

[dmgspycat]

Why do people keep saying the Baghdad Batteries were found in Egypt?  They had nothing to do with Egypt.  They were in Iraq, there were only twelve of them, there is no sign that they were ever used for anything of a practical or constructive nature (no, no ancient electroplated object has ever been found), and all twelve hooked together would have produced a stunning 8 volt charge.

dmgspycat: Bottom line was that a crude form of electrical gadgetry existed, as in the case of the "batteries." As far as the ark is concerned, gold is highly conductive, so some speculate that the ark , which was wood covered in gold, and had gold plates inside was no more than a description of a capacitor. Look up capacitor and see how easy it is to build a Leyden jar, only the ark carried a bigger charge because this thing supposedly killed people. Unless you think its a telephone to god and god did the killing. I, for my part, think that early civilisations held some knowledge of science.

[aquatus1]

I am certain they did, however nothing near that level. By all means, look up capacitors, and find out why the arc could not have been one, and also leyden jars, to realize that they only work with static electricity.

Incidentally, according to the Bible, God did indeed do all the killing, not the arc. God was responsible for cursing the people who stole the arc. God was responsible for killing what's-his-name who touched the arc. The arc was never shown to have the properties of a weapon. The arc is unique in that it is the only object in the bible that is considered sacred. Normally, sacred applies to actions or places, but the arc is unique in this respect. Now, I don't believe in God, however, I similarly do not see how the arc could have either produced or stored any significant amount of energy, neither as a capacitor nor as a leyden jar (which should really be removed from this conversation, it is so out of its range of properties).

As far as science goes, don't confuse progress with novelty. The Greeks had the steam engine, the Inca's had the wheel, but it never progressed beyond the point of a child's toy. It was a neat little effect, but no one though any more of it that you think when you see a street performer doing magic tricks. It's fun for a chuckle, then you go on and forget about it.

I'm probably a little grumpier tonight than normal, but I mean no harm. It's just these simple little mistakes are a pet peeve of mine. If people are going to mistake an ancient toy for evidence of advanced knowledge, at least remember the country it came from. That's fair, isn't it?

[MJB222]

*Indiana Jones music*

Does it really melt Nazis?

[et's daddy]

static electricity ?

well maybe while they carried the ark they also carried scraps of carpet

when they wanted to smite someone they held the ark and rubbed their sandals on the carpet

[aquatus1]

"Uh, Alameck, there's this really nice deep pile Berber on the battlefield..."
"Aah, don't worry about, those guys are always doing screwy things. ATTACK!"

*ZZAAAPPPP!!!*

[dmgspycat]

[quote=aquatus1,Feb 15 2005, 12:23 AM]
Incidentally, according to the Bible, God did indeed do all the killing, not the arc. God was responsible for cursing the people who stole the arc. God was responsible for killing what's-his-name who touched the arc. The arc was never shown to have the properties of a weapon. The arc is unique in that it is the only object in the bible that is considered sacred. Normally, sacred applies to actions or places, but the arc is unique in this respect. Now, I don't believe in God, however, I similarly do not see how the arc could have either produced or stored any significant amount of energy, neither as a capacitor nor as a leyden jar (which should really be removed from this conversation, it is so out of its range of properties).

dmgspycat: Look, I'm trying to see this without the "religious" blinders on. I'm not trying to burst your bubble or nothing but we are grown ups and the world is a lot different than when we were kids. That's like saying ...the dime under my pillow came from the tooth fairy because the story says so so it must be true...do you know how many gods and bibles exist in the world? Everyone is specific and unique to its culture. Anyway, if the ark did exist, the technology inside could tell us of this so called god of yours. Problem is... no one would want it to surface!

[aquatus1]

So whose got blinders on? I've given you my opinion on the science, that being that it cannot be a capacitor because it does not contain any material inside that would act as a medium to hold a charge. If it did, considering the dimensions, it would take more than four people to carry that puppy. Likewise, I don't follow the leyden jar hypothesis for the simple reason that a leyden jar connot be any bigger than it is or it would lose its static charge to the air. Particularly considering the large conductive surface of the Arc. In as far as the bible is concerned, I would consider the properties that the arc is supposed to possess (and not possess) to be a major factor in determining both what its purpose was and what its construction was meant to do.

Incidentally, I am an atheist.

This post has been edited by aquatus1: 16 February 2005 - 02:56 AM

[dmgspycat]

So whose got blinders on?  I've given you my opinion on the science, that being that it cannot be a capacitor because it does not contain any material inside that would act as a medium to hold a charge.  If it did, considering the dimensions, it would take more than four people to carry that puppy.  Likewise, I don't follow the leyden jar hypothesis for the simple reason that a leyden jar connot be any bigger than it is or it would lose its static charge to the air.  Particularly considering the large conductive surface of the Arc.  In as far as the bible is concerned, I would consider the properties that the arc is supposed to possess (and not possess) to be a major factor in determining both what its purpose was and what its construction was meant to do.

Incidentally, I am an atheist.

dmgspycat: If this"gold box" had the power to kill people then there must be some explanation...that's all I was saying. Your post yesterday seemed to suggest that a god was behind the killing...working through a gold box. Well gold is a conductor so what else could this thing be if it had the power to kill? I'm sorry if I seemed to critical ...I appreciate the conversation.

[et's daddy]

im curious if anyone knows what would happen if lighting were to strike a box built like the ark supposedly has been

i honestly have no idea and id like to seriously know

[aquatus1]

If this"gold box" had the power to kill people then there must be some explanation...that's all I was saying. Your post yesterday seemed to suggest that a god was behind the killing...working through a gold box. Well gold is a conductor so what else could this thing be if it had the power to kill? I'm sorry if I seemed to critical ...I appreciate the conversation.

No sweat . Just wanted to make sure I wasn't being thought of as close-minded. The reason I consider the bible descriptions important is because, from them, we have definitive limits set on the arc, as an object. For instance, it can be safely carried with wooden poles, yet will kill if touched. While we can attribute that quality to God, it can also be attributed to the arc itself. Similarly, when the arc was stolen, the people who stole it received all sorts of bad luck, again from God. This is a bit more difficult to attribute solely to the arc, however, because the properties of all the different cases of bad luck, such as diseases, geologic phenomena, and bad weather, can't really be derived from any given property the arc might possess without having affected the people carrying it as well.

So, a valid explanation will have to account for it having a killing force on contact, no effect while being carried, and massive negative effects ("bad luck") at a distance. Whether scientific or otherwise, these points need to be accounted for.

im curious if anyone knows what would happen if lighting were to strike a box built like the ark supposedly has been
i honestly have no idea and id like to seriously know

It would blow up. Literally. The gold would attempt to discharge the electrical energy into the atmosphere, but at the rate it is being fed by the lightning, it would melt within a second. The humidity near the outside wood would evaporate, leaving the outer surface shrunken and non-porous, while the humidity inside would be trapped and expanding, eventually exploding outwards, again, all within a second.

[et's daddy]

would it definitely blow up like a bomb

or is it possible there would be a way to discharge the energy into a controlled spark ?

[aquatus1]

hmm...

For starters, there would have to be a point where the energy from the arc would gather and focus for a 'jump', and another point seperate from the arc to jump to, the distance between the two depending on the power available. If we are talking about a bolt of lighting, then let's say a good six feet would be the max that a bolt would jump after striking an object. The wider the gap, the longer it would take the electricity to jump, and the greater the chance that the gold would melt completely. Even if the gap was miniscule, say less than a quarter inch, the energy from the spark would be enough to cause substantial damage to the arc and anyone nearby.

It comes down to how quickly the energy could leave the arc. The faster it can leave, the less damage it is going to do. Let's say the arc was sitting in a lake. It might well only be severely damaged at the point of impact, because the electricity can go through the gold and into the water so quickly. Let's say, though, that the arc was being held by four people. Now the energy has to wrap itself around four wooden poles and proceed down four fleshbags to get to the ground. This is going to take longer, and cause more damage. Now let's say the arc is sitting on the pyramid. No path for the energy to go anywhere. The energy is going to make its own way out; it will explode.

[Nxt2Hvn]

The Ark of the Covenant is in Heaven.... but of course ... I am posting this mearly as MY belief