[antiaging]

http://www.chick.com...pages.asp?Pg=01

Online magazine. Allow pages to load.

[et's daddy]

that is pure propaganda bs

[Walken]

Intresting points raised, but it sounds like propaganda to me too.

[antiaging]

Intresting points raised, but it sounds like propaganda to me too.

http://www.reformati...s.html#Contents
Read the online book at that website and see if it looks like propaganda.
Actual historical of account of Yugoslavia during and before WW2. Actual photos, catholic nuns marching with nazi soldiers,
Croatian ustachi killer squads meeting at the vatican
Exerpt from book:
http://www.reformati...s.html#Contents

http://www.reformati...rg/archive.html


Book: THE VATICAN’S HOLOCAUST by Avro Manhattan
This type of execution was not exceptional. Some Ustashi specialized in dispatching their
Orthodox prisoners in this manner.

Catholic priests, friars, and, indeed, even some of their pupils, followed their example. The
case of Peter Brzica is undoubtedly one of the most incredible in this category. Brzica was
a law student and an ardent member of the foremast Catholic organization called the
Catholic Crusaders. During the day and night of 29th August 1942, Brzica cut the throats of
1300 prisoners in the Concentration Camp of Jasenovac. He was rewarded with a gold
watch and proclaimed King of Cutthroats. Dr. Nikola Kilolic, a Croat and a Catholic, was
an eyewitness to the deed.

To terrorize the population into becoming Catholic, the Ustashi very often hanged lay
Orthodox Leaders and their Orthodox parish priests during mass executions under the very
eyes of the faithful. This was one of the most tangible methods of "persuasion" whenever
the Orthodox proved obdurate.

During our journey towards the hill of Javor, near Srebrenica and Ozren, all the Serbian
villages which we came across were wholly deserted. But inside the houses very often we find
whole families massacred. We even came across some barrels filled with blood. In the villages
between Vlasenica and Kladanj we discovered children who had been impaled upon stakes,
their small members still distorted by pain, resembling insects stuck upon pins." [6]

Many Catholic lay members and clergy, mostly Croats, helped the Nazis and fought against
their own Government. This they did in order to set up an independent Catholic State of
Croatia once Yugoslav unity had disintegrated. As a reward for their treachery, Hitler
granted the Catholic Croats autonomy under Nazi tutelage. While the rest of Yugoslavia
was turned into Nazi-occupied territory, Croatia became an independent Catholic State,
where the Ustashi leader, Ante Pavelic, assisted by Archbishop Stepinac and blessed by
Pope Pius Xll, initiated the terrible reign of Ustashi terror.

[Kerkido]

Some of us are already atheist, what other BS they gonna bring on by next?

[et's daddy]

this is sad really that such propaganda and hateful crap is spread about the vatican

[antiaging]

this is sad really that such propaganda and hateful crap is spread about the vatican

My Dad was in world war 2. My dad told me that the catholic church started world war 2. At the time I had no reason to believe or disbelieve that. My dad told me that when the german prisoners found out that he was catholic, they would tell him that he was on their side.
I once spoke to an old guy that was an intelligence officer in World war 2, named Kurt Elbers. He told me that he had heard about that a long time ago, about the involvement with the catholic church with Hitler and the holocaust.
In the 1950s their were many books in book stores exposing this. But through the efforts of the vatican (picketing the stores etc.) those books were taken off the book shelves.
Get on metacrawler search engine and look up THE SECRET HISTORY OF THE JESUITS, written by catholic French historian Edmond Paris, if you want the historical facts in greater detail. - backed up by references

[et's daddy]

and my dad once told me the moon was made of cheese


look i have photo graphic evidence






does that make it true ?

[hamellr]

Many Catholic lay members and clergy, mostly Croats, helped the Nazis and fought against
      their own Government. This they did in order to set up an independent Catholic State of
      Croatia once Yugoslav unity had disintegrated. As a reward for their treachery, Hitler
      granted the Catholic Croats autonomy under Nazi tutelage. While the rest of Yugoslavia
      was turned into Nazi-occupied territory, Croatia became an independent Catholic State,
      where the Ustashi leader, Ante Pavelic, assisted by Archbishop Stepinac and blessed by
      Pope Pius Xll, initiated the terrible reign of Ustashi terror.

Notice this quote forgets to mention the historical signifigance of Croatia as part of Prussia (which included modern day Germany, parts of Poland, Croatia, and several other areas) during WWI. The Croatians were not technically pro-Nazi. They were Pro-Germany as their mother land. For them being part of Yugoslavia is the same as the Israel and Palenstine now. They considered themselves a conquered part of the homeland and waited 30 years to join back with it.

[antiaging]

Many Catholic lay members and clergy, mostly Croats, helped the Nazis and fought against
       their own Government. This they did in order to set up an independent Catholic State of
       Croatia once Yugoslav unity had disintegrated. As a reward for their treachery, Hitler
       granted the Catholic Croats autonomy under Nazi tutelage. While the rest of Yugoslavia
       was turned into Nazi-occupied territory, Croatia became an independent Catholic State,
       where the Ustashi leader, Ante Pavelic, assisted by Archbishop Stepinac and blessed by
       Pope Pius Xll, initiated the terrible reign of Ustashi terror.

Notice this quote forgets to mention the historical signifigance of Croatia as part of Prussia (which included modern day Germany, parts of Poland, Croatia, and several other areas) during WWI. The Croatians were not technically pro-Nazi. They were Pro-Germany as their mother land. For them being part of Yugoslavia is the same as the Israel and Palenstine now. They considered themselves a conquered part of the homeland and waited 30 years to join back with it.

Here is another quote. What do you think on this one?
"The Secret History of the Jesuits", by catholic French Historian, Edmond
Paris [Look up the book on metacrawler search engine.]
I have the book. [The president of Slovakia was catholic
priest Monseigneur Tiso]
it says, Quote:
Let us see now what kind of apostolic gentleness was used by the gauleiter
prelate Tiso toward the Jews: "In 1941, the first contingent of Jews from
Slovakia and upper-Silesia arrive at Auschwitz; from the start those who
were not able to work are sent to the gas chamber, in a room of the building
containing the crematorial furnaces". (77)
Lord Russel of Liverpool, wrote this, a judicial councelor at the trials of
war criminals.
So the Holy See had not "lent" one of its prelates to Hitler in vain. The
Jesuit head of state was doing a good job and the satisfaction expressed by
radio vatican is understandable.
To have been Auschwitz first provider, what a glory for this holy man and
for the whole company of Jesuits! In fact, this triumph lacked nothing. At
the time of the Liberation, this prelate was handed over to Czechoslovakia
by the Americans, condemned to death in 1946 and hanged---the palm for a
martyr!
"Anything done against the Jews, we do it because of our love for this
nation of ours. The love for our fellow-men and the love for our country
have developed into a fruitful fight against the enemies of nazism". (78)
Another high dignitary of the Roman church, in a neighboring country, could
have appropriated this declaration of monsigneur Tiso to himself.
end of quote: pages 143 and 144
I saw on the history channel about Tiso. Those quotes up there are true.
According to the history channel Tiso actually paid money to the Nazis to
take away the Jews to Auschwitz. The Nazi officer demanded payment to make
up for any Jews unfit to work; those are the ones that went to the gas
chamber first.
THE JEWISH HOLOCAUST WAS A 20TH CENTURY CATHOLIC INQUISITION
http://www.chick.com.../153/153_03.asp

In his book FIFTY YEARS IN THE CHURCH OF ROME, former catholic priest Charles Chiniquy had this to say about the Jesuits: "The Jesuits are a military organization, not a religious order. Their chief is the general of an army, not the mere father abbot of a monastery. And the aim of this organization is power. Power in the most despotic excercise. Absolute power, universal power, power to control the World by the volition (will) of a single man. Jesuitism is the most absolute of despotisms (dictatorship); and at the same time, the greatest and the most enormous of abuses." (The most monstrous hurt, injury and damage) "The general of the jesuits insists on being master, sovereign over the sovereign. Wherever the jesuits are admitted they will be masters, cost what it may. Their society is by nature dictatorial, and therefore it is the irreconcilable enemy of all constituted authority. Every act, every crime, however attrocious, is a meritorious work, if committed for the interest of the society of the jesuits, or by the order of its general. page 174, in the book, FIFTY YEARS IN THE CHURCH OF ROME, by Charles Chiniquy. You can read this book online at this website: http://www.biblebeli...iquy/index.html

According to Alberto Rivera, former Jesuit priest, who became a baptist preacher:
The Vatican had these contigency plans in case Hitler lost the war:
1. Make everyone believe that the Vatican had nothing to do with the war and, in time, try to convince people that the holocaust never happened.
2. Make sure that rebellious nuns, monks, and priests were also put into the concentration camps to try to convince the world that the catholic church was also persecuted.
3. They ordered catholic families and priests to protect Jews in their homes so this could be used in the future as good public relations material for books and films. Those Jews that were protected had already been converted to catholicism.
4. Put on a new face by setting up the Vatican II council.
5. Set up a communist pope from behind the Iron Curtain to please the communists and try to convert them to catholicism. This was Pope John 23rd.

Read what the press of the Catholic, Spanish dictator, Franco, published on the 3rd of May, 1945, the day of Hitler's death. It said, "Adolf Hitler, son of the Catholic Church, died while defending Christianity." It is therefore understandable that words cannot be found to lament over his death, when so many were found to exalt his life. It goes on to say, "Over his mortal remains stands his victorious moral figure. With the palm of the martyr, God gives Hitler the laurels of Victory." This funeral oration of Adolph Hitler was voiced by the Holy See itself, under the cover of Franco’s press. It is a communique of the Vatican via Madrid.
Hitler himself stated, "I learned much from the Order of the Jesuits. Until now, there has never been anything more grandiose, on the earth, than the hierarchical organization of the Catholic church. I transferred much of this organization into my own party."
Reference: the Godfathers magazine at the website in the orginal post on this thread.

[dmgspycat]

[quote=et's daddy,Feb 15 2005, 12:24 AM]
and my dad once told me the moon was made of cheese


dmgspycat: That was a lame retort. I don't know if it is true or not either but considering some of the Church's past attrocities like the inquisition, helping nazi's escape to S.America and covering up the death of Pope Luciani in 1978, I wouldn't doubt it one bit.

[Bio-Mage]

Religion has always been used as a tool to control the masses. The sooner ALL parties involved realise that, the better...

[sultanmuratova]

its looks to much like propaganda, the story is all too convenient although some of it might be true.
maybe its just better to be an atheist since it seems that almost every religion is corrupted in some ways.

[poof-gone]

I heard that Pope John Paul II had a job in WWII delivering gas for the gas chambers.

And, the Hebrew God said he would punish the Jews all the days of their lives. So Adolph Hitler was serving the Hebrew God by killing and persecuting the Jews. The Catholic Church serves the Hebrew God. So it all makes sense to me.

Because yes, a Religion is corrupt that says a Loving Father would kill, punish, persecute, deceive, torture, damn the Souls, fill their ears with wax and cover their eyes with wool, rape the children, etc. etc. etc.

The Loving Father that Jesus spoke of was the One that created all the civilizations that were destroyed by the Hebrew God and his armies. That's why Jesus was silenced by the Priests of the Hebrew God for "Blasphemy." Why Joan of Arc was called a Heretic, Witch and Sorcerer, because she served the Loving Father and not the Hebrew God that liked killing anyone that spoke of another God just as Jesus did.

[Hotoke]

next they are going to tell us Stalin was a inquisitor