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#31    Mystify

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Posted 14 November 2001 - 11:31 PM

Here's some intresting stuff....
Pretty cool...

Got this off a site that someone put as one of they're fav's. Thre was a lot of good stuff there.



'Scientific people', said the Time Traveller, 'know very well that time is only a kind of space...'
H. G. Wells: The Time Machine

Time is the perfect murderer. Every day it indiscriminately kills around 40,000 individuals worldwide. Rich and poor, black and white; all succumb to time's insidious erosion of their bodies and minds, and it seems as if there isn't a thing we can do to stop its merciless onslaught. People often talk of killing time, but ironically it's the other way round.

If only it were possible to hinder the passage of time; then we could extend our transient lifespans. The Roman writer Horace succinctly summed up our mortal predicament in a sentence over a thousand years ago: "Life's short span forbids us embarking on far-reaching hopes."

To stop the clock and live indefinitely has been a recurring dream throughout the history of mankind, but will the fantasy ever become a reality? It is the author's belief that the flow of time can be controlled, and that, incredible as it seems, various individuals have inadvertently moved backwards and forwards through the 'fourth dimension' the official scientific description of time. These timewalkers will be looked at in some detail later, but first let us take a cursory look at the nature of time from a scientific viewpoint.

What we call time is still something of a mystery. Until the German mathematical physicist Albert Einstein (1879-1955) came along, scientists regarded time as an absolute, universal unchanging something that flowed steadily on in one direction like a might river; from the past to the future. Einstein proved that this was simply not the case at all. Long before experiments verified that his reasoning was correct, Einstein told the sceptical scientific community of his day that time was elastic, reversible, and actually ran at different rates in different areas of the universe, which made a mockery of the traditional notions of time laid down by the English scientist and mathematician Sir Isaac Newton (16421727). Einstein said something revolutionary that seemed nonsensical initially; that objects which are moving age slower compared to stationary objects. As an example, imagine there are identical twins. One of them climbs aboard a rocket which takes off from Earth and begins a five-year space voyage at a speed very close to light's velocity (which is 186,281 miles per second). When the astronaut returns to Earth, he would find that his terrestrial twin is now 50 years older than him!

Einstein's incredible theory of time-dilation has now been proved in many ways. If we had two highly-accurate atomic clocks, and we placed one at an airport and one in Concorde and flew it to New York and back, we would find that the readouts from the two clocks would be different when they were subsequently compared, because the clock on Concorde would have ticked slower than the stationary clock in the airport. Time-dilation has also been observed in sub-atomic particle such as the muon, which decays on average after 2.2 microseconds. These particles are created when cosmic rays enter the upper atmosphere, and are so short-lived, they ought not to persist for long enough to reach the Earth's surface, but they do, because they are moving so fast that their time-scale, relative to ours, is slowed down.

If you are still not convinced that there is more to time than meets the eye, you should go out on a cloudless, moonless night and look up at the stars, and you will be participating in a type of time-travel yourself, because you will be seeing the stars as they were many years ago. If you see a faint fuzzy patch of luminosity to the upper left of the Pegasus constellation, you will be looking at the Andromeda Galaxy, which is the nearest galaxy to ours. But you will not be seeing this galaxy as it is, but as it was 2.2 million years ago, because it is so far away, the light from it takes that long to reach your eyes here on Earth. In other words, you will be looking back into the remote past when you look up into the sky. Astronomers recently announced that a cluster of galaxies known as Abell 2065 had been discovered in the Corona Borealis constellation that were a billion light years away, and that the light from these remote stellar objects had started its journey to their telescopes around the time mankind was (supposedly) beginning to evolve from the primordial sludge on Earth.

The following story is an account of a man who inadvertently strolled into the past early in July 1996 in Liverpool City Centre.




Shop in another dimension - Cripps of Bold Street, Liverpool, in 1955

Frank, an off-duty policeman from Melling, and his wife Carol, were in Liverpool one Saturday afternoon shopping. At Central Station, the couple split up. Carol went to Dillons Bookshop in Bold Street to purchase a copy of Irvine Welsh's book, Trainspotting, and Frank went to a record store in Ranelagh Street to look for a CD. About twenty minutes later he walked up the incline near the Lyceum which leads out to Bold Street, intending to meet up with his wife in the bookshop, when he suddenly noticed he had somehow entered an oasis of quietness. Suddenly, a small boxvan that looked like something out the 1950s sped across his path, beeping as it narrowly missed him. Frank noted that the van had the name 'Caplan's' emblazoned on its side. When the policeman looked down, he noticed that he was standing in the road, and immediate thought that was strange, because the last time he had seen the bottom of Bold Street, it had been pedestrianized. Frank crossed the road and saw that Dillons Bookshop was no longer there. In its place stood a store with the name 'Cripps' over its two entrances. The policeman was understandably confused. He looked in the window of Cripps and saw no books on display, but womens' handbags and shoes. The policeman turned around and saw that the people were wearing clothes that would have been worn in the Forties and Fifties, and this really unnerved him. He realised that he had somehow walked into the Bold Street of forty-odd years ago. Suddenly, Frank sighted a girl of about twenty, dressed in the clothes of a mid-1990s girl; hipsters and a lime-coloured sleeveless top. The bag she carried had the name Miss Selfridges on it, which really reassured the policeman that he was still somehow partly in 1996. It was a paradox, but the policeman was slightly relieved, and he smiled at the girl as she walked past him and entered Cripps. As he followed her, the whole interior of the building changed in a flash to the interior of Dillons Bookshop. The policeman was back in his own time. He grabbed the girl by the arm at the entrance of the bookshop and asked her: "Did you see that then?" and the girl calmly said, "Yeah. I thought it was a new shop that had opened. I was going in to look at the clothes, and it's a bookshop."
The girl just laughed, shook her head, and walked out again. Frank said the girl looked back and shook her head in disbelief. When he told his wife about the incident, she said that she had not noticed anything strange, but Frank was really adamant that he had not hallucinated the episode.

I gave an account of this strange timeslip on the Billy Butler show, and within minutes, people were ringing me and Billy at Radio City to tell us that in the late 1950s and early 1960s there had been a store called Cripps in the exact location where Dillons Bookshop now stands, and there had also been a firm called Caplan's in existence around the same time. What's more, I also received letters and phone calls from listeners who had also experienced strange things in the part of Bold Street where the policeman stepped into another era. A man who worked on the renovation of the Lyceum building in Bold Street said his digital watch went backwards for two hours one day, and on another occasion, he put down his safety helmet, and when he looked down literally seconds later, it had vanished, yet no one was within fifty feet of him.

A Radio City listener named Emma Black sent me a fascinating cutting from a 1970s magazine concerning a timeslip which apparently allowed a telephone conversation to take place between two people spaced thirty years apart. The following summary of this strange story may seem like an episode of The Twilight Zone, but I have heard of three other similar cases. An old woman named Alma Bristow of Bidston, Birkenhead, tried to phone her sister (who had recently lost her husband) in Frodsham, Cheshire. Alma always had difficulty dialling numbers on the old British Telecom analogue telephone because she had stabbing arthritis in her fingers. Alma had evidently misdialled her sister's number, as a man's voice answered. The man said "Captain Hamilton."

Alma asked if her sister was there, but 'Captain' Hamilton replied haughtily, "This is not a civilian number. Who are you?"

Alma gave her name, and as she did, she heard a sound at the other end of the phone that she hadn't heard since she was a young woman: an air raid siren kicking. "Sound like World War Two there." Alma joked.

There was a pause, then Captain Hamilton replied, "What are you talking about?"

"The air-raid siren. Sounds like the war's still on." Alma said, about to hang up.

"Of course the war's still on. Where did you get my number from?" said Hamilton.

"The war ended years ago, in 1945." said Alma, suspecting she was a victim of the Candid Camera Show.

Captain Hamilton was heard to whisper to an associate, then resumed the surreal conversation. "It isn't 1945 yet. If we trace you you'll be thrown into prison for this lark you know? You're wasting valuable time woman."

"Eh? It's 1974. The war's been over for years." Alma retorted, and then she heard the unmistakable rumble of bombing coming over the phone.

"We'll deal with you later don't worry." said Captain Hamilton, and he slammed the phone down. Alma listened eagerly for him to pick up the handset of his telephone, but Hamilton never did. Alma never knew if she had been the victim of an elaborate hoax, or whether she had really had talked with someone in wartime Britain.

The two previous stories about timeslips suggest that the events of the past are still going on somewhere along the fourth dimension. Isn't it ironic how the clock rules all our lives, yet we know virtually nothing about time? Our ignorance regarding the nature of time reminds me of a thought-provoking remark Einstein once made. He said: "What does a fish know about the water in which he swims all his life?"

I'm here today because of the past, i respect my self and all i have become and there for i do not regret the road i've walked.

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Posted 14 November 2001 - 11:39 PM

I think I just added the longest post...Thank god for copy and post :)

Next time I think the link will work just as good.

I'm here today because of the past, i respect my self and all i have become and there for i do not regret the road i've walked.

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Posted 15 November 2001 - 05:45 AM

Well, that's worth about eight average length posts! It's getting late, I think I'll take on the challenge of reading that tomorrow. ;D

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Posted 20 November 2001 - 12:03 AM

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I agree with both your comments... image

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Posted 20 November 2001 - 07:15 PM

Nice post  ;D

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Posted 22 November 2001 - 08:26 PM

So did anyone check my math? ;) i just wanna know if i am right or wrong... :D

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Posted 23 November 2001 - 04:28 AM

Chris,

 Yes, the total number of years is incorrect.

 Given 24 hrs/day x 365.25 days/yr = 8,766 hours/year

 6,780,800 hrs. divided by 8,766 hr/year = 773.5 years.

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Posted 23 November 2001 - 04:45 AM

Chris,

There are a couple things wrong with your point. First of all E=MC^2 does not mean energy equals mass squared. It means energy equals mass multiplied by the speed of light squared. Another misinterpretation is attaining the speed of light doesn't mean infinate mass, as you stated and is commonly believed. The mass in referrance is "relativistic mass" or "mass energy". If it was "mass at rest" than you still wouldn't occupy all points in the universe simultaneously, for if you had infinate mass you would turn into a singularity(black hole).

That being said, I agree with your theory. I'm not going into the details of your math, but I understand what you mean, and I think it poses some valid points. Time, like speed or size or just about anything else is relative. Like you, I don't believe someone could just go back into the past. But again like you, I think that the rate of time can be altered.

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Posted 23 November 2001 - 06:56 AM

To expand upon my previous post, according to Einstein's theory of relativity, it is impossible for anything with mass to obtain the speed of light. And as for light itself, photon particles which make up light are massless. This doesn't mean that light can't be manipulated, because it surely can. Although light in a vacuum is constant, light here on planet Earth is not.

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Posted 25 November 2001 - 08:07 AM

Hence why I said you would have to become "Light". Light is energy, without matter. We are energy with matter. Lose the matter, and what are we? Pure Energy, according to most religions (spirit, etc).

Now, this is where you can tie time travel into ghost theories. All religions I have ever researched/studied (and I've studied a lot of em) believe in an "Evil" energy, ex: Satan, from xianity. This would be negative energy. I know this should be in the Ghosts/Supernatural section, but it does tie in here.

Positive energy would be your Angels, etc.

Bear with me on this one.

One of the things that is commonly associated with "ghosts" is a sense of coldness, of helplessness, etc.

One of the signs of positive religious influence is a feeling of warmth, of happiness, etc.

Warmth = Heat = Energy that is Positive.
Chill = Lack of Heat = Lack of Positive energy = Negative Energy (anti-energy?).

Could it be, that "Angels" are capable of time travel, or travel that is faster than light, while "ghosts" are incapable, hence the lack of heat and warmth in their presence?

This is where I get my belief that:

1.) Yes, it is possible to travel faster than light, however not "now" = not in physical form (the spirit is capable).

2.) Ghosts arent what people think they are. People see a "ghost" that resembles a little child that was killed, and they immediatly assume it was that child's "spirit" that is trapped here. What it could be, (and is, is my personal - belief) is a form of "anti-energy" that had come there trying to get "home" (heaven, for example).

But ANYWAYS... Not to drone on too much.

I will go see the remake of the Time Machine when it hits theaters. :D

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Posted 22 December 2001 - 08:22 PM

There was also a game published in 2000 or in 2001 based on that book. (Time Machine..)

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Posted 12 January 2002 - 01:30 PM

A rudimentary Time travel device has already been invented. Before you all look at me as if i was nuts, let me explain!
I think it was a year ago or so but a group of scientists created a device that sends a minute particule back in time. What they found was that it acted like a 'portal' for want of a better word. It had to be opened first and the particule couldn't travel back any further than the begining of the experiment.
For example, if they sent back a particle 2/100th of a second into the experiment the particle could only travel back by 2/100ths of a second and could not go back before the experiment started.
They were working on a very small scale and with very small objects... i'll see if i can dig out the report i read on it (sorry my details are a bit vague, but i haven't read it for ages)  

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Posted 12 January 2002 - 02:54 PM

So a particle is sent back in time to the beginning of the experiment in which it was sent back... is it possible that the scientists that are 2/100th of a second into the future are the ones supplying the particle to begin with?

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Posted 12 January 2002 - 04:02 PM

I don't think so - i would of definately remembered that bit of it if that was the case!!
It certainly explains why no-one from the future has traveled back for a visit as you can only travel back as far as you machine has been operational for. Very neat, no paradox, well not too much   :D . Also although i implied, i didn't state it, using this method you can't go into the future and there is of course the other problem of you having to be a microscopinc particle wishing to see what the world was like 2/100ths of a second ago  ;D

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Posted 13 January 2002 - 09:45 PM

yeah ps, i think the boffins called it "quantum tunneling"

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