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Posted 22 April 2005 - 05:15 PM

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Do Poltergeists exist or are they our subconscious?

Hoagy will be debating Against the existance of Poltergeist.

We are looking for one more person to debate for the existance of poltergeist.

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Posted 26 April 2005 - 06:45 PM

I do believe that Monkeyburd is willing???

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Posted 26 April 2005 - 08:27 PM

I will face Hoagy, the Pumpkin-Headed Skeptic, fighting in favor of Poltergeists exsistance. grin2.gif

Give Monkeyburd Time to prepare however... I would like some time to research/prepare, as Poltergeists are a bit unresearched by monkyburds. laugh.gif


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Posted 26 April 2005 - 09:20 PM

Okay this should be fun! original.gif

MonkeyBurd will be debating For the existance of Poltergeist.
Hoagy will be debating Against the existance of Poltergeist.

The debate will consist of an introduction, 5 bodily posts showing countering of the opponent, good style, persuasive arguments and information relevant to the topic, and a conclusion. Remember to quote all your sources, no flaming or offensive langauage.

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If for any reason this is not possible during the course of the debate please let myself or disinterested know so we can work out an agreement so this does not happen.

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Posted 26 April 2005 - 09:25 PM

Monkeyburd, let me know when you are ready, drop me a PM so we can get the ball rolling, as I too need time to delve into the forbidden library...

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Posted 26 April 2005 - 09:27 PM

Guys you have 72 hours from now to get it together thumbsup.gif I think this is adequate time.  Let me know if this is inconvenient via PM.

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Posted 30 April 2005 - 02:49 PM

The Beginner's Guide to Poltergeists Introduction Post
~Poltergeist means "Noisy Ghost" when translated from German, and the term couldn't be more right. Poltergeist activity covers a wide range of experiences; a few popular examples of poltergeist activity include:

~Objects being thrown about and levitated by unseen forces
~Unexplained Knocking or "crashing" sounds
~Doors and windows opening and closing by themselves
~Lights going on and off by themselves
~Intense temperature variations (Cold Chills,or extremely hot objects)
~Hearing Footsteps and voices when no one else is present
~Ectoplasmic slime  blink.gif
~Malfunction of electronic devices such as phones and cameras

Poltergeist Activity can be generally mild in some cases, but some have been known to be downright malicious and lethal. Many people have been injured by poltergeist activity weather struck by fast moving objects thrown by these unknown forces, randomly ignited on fire, or even levitated high enough to break bones when dropped back to the ground.   ohmy.gif

  What makes Poltergeists so different from normal hauntings is usually the scale of the incidents, the spirit's sense of intelligence, and the human agent.  

Poltergeist spirits show a definite intellect when creating their mayhem, which I find to be most frightening of all. Such instances include the "Danny Poltergeist" case in which messages from a spirit named Danny began appearing in the home. Danny mainly wrote messages only within one room of the home, while slamming doors and flickering lights appeared elsewhere in the house.

It also has been seen by numerous paranormal researchers that poltergeists usually select an adolescent youth with psychological problems (typically teenage girls) and stay with them, causing all the commotion around them. Sometimes the human agents to these poltergeists don't even realize they are the ones connected to the activity for quite some time.

The last two paragraphs have lead paranormal experts to two pretty solid conclusions about poltergeist exsistance;

1. Poltergeists are emotionally disturbed spirits which essentially latch on to the emotional and psychological energy of similarly distraught teens and channel their energies and doings through them; basically a human agent and an accompanying spirit. This would explain the occurance of disturbances outside of the home and the maliciousness of some of the events.

2. Poltergeist activity is all actually subconscious psychic energy working itself out of distraught teens; where rather then being the human agent for a spirit the teen themselves is causing all the problems and no spirit is involved. This would also explain poltergeist activity outside of the home, but also concentrate on certain poltergeist activities linked to no actual identifiable spirit or ghost.

What is the right answer, we don't quite know yet and may never know. Regardless of knowing exactly what poltergeists are and what causes them, they are a real thing and deserve to be studied. There are thousands of Poltergeist cases every year and the same many cases still going on even today. To say there's no such thing as poltergeists is just not being truthful based on the bulk of legitimate unexplainable cases of ongoing poltergeist activity.


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Posted 02 May 2005 - 06:17 PM

The Poltergeist phenomena, introductory post:

For most people, their knowledge of poltergeists is coloured by fantastical and extraordinary events like those depicted in films such as Steven Speilbergs 'Poltergeist'.  The reality is not as dramatic; although witnesses would argue that they are dramatic enough.

An early dictionary definition spells out the traditional image, if not a modern interpretation: 'Poltergeist.  A noisy ghost or hobgoblin that creates certain manifestations, such as the moving of furniture, breaking of crockery or other noisy disturbances.' (Taken from The Universal Dictionary of the English Language - 1958)

Strangely enough, poltergeist phenomena is the most widely reported of all ghostly activity, but unfortunately the characteristics of said phenomena  would suggest that it's too difficult to observe using technology.

Although the most 'active' and noisy kind of phenomena, poltergeists seem to be extremely shy when deliberate investigation is at hand.  In fact in it's way of working it seems to have almost human characteristics - playful, annoying and sometimes downright dangerous, although there are few cases of anyone actually coming to physical harm from it's 'actions'.

The modern age that we now live in suggests something a little more credible regarding poltergeists, instead of sprites or mischevious hobgoblins.  The main theory is that normal, everyday people can create effects similar to psychokinesis (from 'psycho' meaning 'mind', and 'kinesis' meaning 'movement'), also known as PK - which is the power to supposedly manipulate objects using the mind.

It is from this scientific approach that I hope to put forward the case that poltergeist phenomena is more an unknown capability of the human mind, than evidence of outside, or 'supernatural' intelligence.

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Posted 07 May 2005 - 10:58 PM

Poltergeists and You. Body Post 1
geek.gif Let me begin by listing a few Famous Poltergeist cases and a brief description of them...

~Borely Rectory:An old Manor in the English county of Essex, and came to be called,"The Most Haunted House in England." Writing appeared on the walls, ghostly footsteps, lights going haywire, a headless man, a girl in white, strange whispering, and numerous other apparitions were witnessed. Ms. Foyer was the supposed human agent of all the activity and was continually slapped and pushed by unseen hands, was bombarded with flying objects and furniture, and almost smothered by her matress. blink.gif

~San Pedro Haunting: A classic human agent story where the majority of activity took place around the woman Jackie Hernandez who lived in her California home. Disturbances included lights flickering, strange smells and sounds, a (get this) glowing cloud that tried to suffocate her also witnessed by others wacko.gif , and perhaps ectoplasm dripping from the walls and cabinets. The disturbances would fallow her to many places she went outside of her home as well. Researchers believed she was subconsciously the cause of all the phenomenon, however the incidents continued within the house even after she moved out.

~The Macomb Poltergeist: This one is one of my favorites because its so unbelievable.. Occurring in Macomb Illinois through the late summer of 1948 large brown spots began to appear on the walls, floors, and ceilings of the home, and then later burst into flames, all right before witnesses eyes! The amount of incidents steadily increased and in one week over 200 fires broke out, approximately 29 per day throughout the house. The family kept buckets of water all over the house to prepare for more that would happen.. but eventually the fire raged out of control and the house burned to the ground. When the family moved out into the barn, the burn started burning as well! When they moved into the garage, the garage burned down! When they moved into a vacant house, it also began to witness the same fire events. Eventually the police decided the cause of it all was the young girl Wanet who basically was starting all the fires with matches.. however there were multiple witnesses who could testify that this was not the case.

Here's where you can find these three Poltergeist Cases
I will save some more cases for future posts, believe me, there are many more out there. original.gif

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Strangely enough, poltergeist phenomena is the most widely reported of all ghostly activity, but unfortunately the characteristics of said phenomena would suggest that it's too difficult to observe using technology.


Poltergeist cases tend to rely on creditable human witnesses the majority of the time. There is a definite human aspect to the majority of Poltergeist cases, (with a few exceptions) and the fact that poltergeist activity goes on alongside people living out their lives is also why the reports of these cases are so numerous. yes.gif

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The modern age that we now live in suggests something a little more credible regarding poltergeists, instead of sprites or mischevious hobgoblins. The main theory is that normal, everyday people can create effects similar to psychokinesis (from 'psycho' meaning 'mind', and 'kinesis' meaning 'movement'), also known as PK - which is the power to supposedly manipulate objects using the mind.

To say that Poltergeists are a form of subconscious PK by the so called,"human agent" is just as plausible an answer when dealing with certain poltergeist cases. The idea is today very popular and being more accepted to understand instances of these disturbances around certain young individuals...

However, the amount of cases supporting a spirit coupled with a human agent are staggering. The most popular cases of poltergeist hauntings have included actual spirits who have come to show themselves before the human agent or others in the household.

There are cases in which no such independent spirit/ghost is witnessed, and disturbances still go on. These cases could be weaker spirits without the courage or power to show themselves or perhaps the idea as mentioned before, a variety of subconscious PK from a human agent. However, stating that all poltergeist activity is the result of subconscious PK is a ridiculous assumption and (besides the fact) the PK theory doesn't necessarily disprove poltergeists; it merely offers a new theory into the same type phenomenon.


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Posted 16 May 2005 - 09:17 PM

Monkeyburd has indeed given some good examples of supposedly 'authentic' cases.  Whenever poltergeists are being discussed, you can usually find one or more of those cases popping up.

I have been digging around in my library and found a couple of more unusual cases, that while displaying the trademark poltergeist characteristics, have a little something else up their sleeve.

The first:

‘Following unpleasant sexual advances at the point of a gun made by her boyfriend (whom we shall call ‘Bob’), ‘Esther’ became the victim of a poltergeist attack.
At first she thought she heard a mouse, but none could be found.  A box began moving independently.  The following night, Esther began to be affected by something unknown that reddened her face and swelled her body.
A couple of days later Esther suffered the bedclothes being ripped off the bed.  The bedclothes also hit another member of the household who left, vowing never to return again.
Above Esther’s bed writing appeared on the wall: ‘Esther, you are mine to kill’.  Plaster flew off the wall, landing near a doctor called in to tend to Esther; this continued unabated for two hours.  Eventually Esther told her family about the sexual attack.  When it was suggested that this strain was the cause of the ‘paranormal’ activities, the poltergeist responded with a loud banging that seemed to suggest that it agreed.
The Poltergeist became dangerous shortly after, it produced lighted matches falling around the room causing small fires.  Neighbors became alarmed at the potential damage to their property and made it clear they wanted Esther sent away.  She went to stay with a neighbor, but the activity followed her there.  An oven door came off it’s hinges, and metal objects where drawn to her as if she were a magnet.  The neighbor asked Esther to leave.

The following year, 1879, magician Walther Hubbell investigated the hauntings for his book.  The poltergeist obliged him: throwing his umbrella up in the air, throwing a carving knife at him and throwing his bag away.  It also hit him with a chair.  Hubbell tested the poltergeist by asking details such as the date of coins in his pockets.  Through rapping noises the poltergeist apparently got the right answers.
Esther was further attacked, with pins being stuck in her hand, and more fires broke out.  She eventually went to stay with some friends and the activities stopped.’

The second is an account of a farmhouse plagued by poltergeist activity.  This was recorded in the Annales Fuldenses and was written in 858 BC (yes really!):

‘A family living at a farmhouse near Bingen on the Rhine suffered a poltergeist that threw stones, vibrated walls caused fires and burnt crops.  It also exposed the farmers sexual relationship with the daughter of one of his foremen.  The farmer seemed to be the focus and the activity followed him wherever he went until other people refused to have him anywhere near their homes.’

So, two accounts of alleged supernatural forces at work?  Or is the explanation more down to earth and rational?

It would appear that the catalyst in these two particular cases are of a sexual nature.  Pent up aggression that builds up and then is released in some form or other?  In the case of Esther, aggressive activity was witnessed toward Walther Hubbell.  Could that be resentment towards him because she was sexually attacked by a man?  

The point I am trying to make is stress, trauma, whatever you want to call it.  I have already stated elsewhere on the board recently that people dismiss all too easily the ‘human agent’ side of poltergeists, even though they tend to follow predictable paths, and eventually fade away.  We do not give enough credit to exactly what the human body and the human brain can do under duress.  A good example of the brain ruling the body is a common thing we all experience at some point throughout life, like falling in love.  That feeling of light-headedness, maybe you start to sweat, your heart rate increases.  Nothing supernatural about that, why does it seem so difficult to accept that maybe there is some kind of energy output that we just don’t fully understand yet?


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Posted 24 May 2005 - 08:55 PM

The Only Ghosts Are Those in the Back of Your Head Body Post 2

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The point I am trying to make is stress, trauma, whatever you want to call it. I have already stated elsewhere on the board recently that people dismiss all too easily the ‘human agent’ side of poltergeists, even though they tend to follow predictable paths, and eventually fade away.

Two things you're missing here:
1. Ghosts are notorious for having their mortal deaths linked to such trauma, stress, and agression. It is only logical for such spirits to be attracted to the phycic energy of living people under the same types of tramatic conditions as they felt in life, or perhaps right before their deaths. If I was a ghost of someone who was brutally strangled to death by their father and buried under the cellar stairs, I wouldn't nessecarilly relate to a very happy optimistic person unsure.gif
2. People don't nessecarilly "dismiss" the idea of the human agent, they just cannot believe someone they've known and loved as part of the family could be partly to blame for the disturbing events. If I knew my cute little never-hurt-a-fly brother was the human agent I wouldn't believe it either. yes.gif Also, I believe the idea of the human agent at times is actually overemphasized (See the "*" further down in the post).

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We do not give enough credit to exactly what the human body and the human brain can do under duress.

This is true, the human body is capable of unimaginable feats... such as the mother who lifted a car off her baby to save its life, or Yuri Gellar and his amazing mind abilities such as levitating ordinary objects and very accurate predictions.

However, such an explanation can be ruled out here because the majority of poltergeist incidents continue to happen after the "Agent" has either moved out of the home, or left for a long enough period of time, and the house continues to undergo the same poltergeist disturbances.

*Here I think the idea of the human agent is overemphasized actually, because there are plenty of cases when poltergeist activity targets multiple members of the home directly, and others where it doesn't seem that anyone is being directly targeted. Multiple people subconsciously making these things happen, all living under the same roof? Doubtful. One powerful spirit assaulting everyone equally, easier to understand I say.

If anything is in support of PK from the human agent, perhaps the theory of Steven King's horror story,"Rose Red" applies; where a psychically active person stimulates or amplifies already present spirits in the home. This theory could potentially fit a number of poltergeist cases, especially ones involveing children agents connected to perhaps,"imaginary friends" which are actually the deceased.

In any case, Poltergeists and PK are both very far from being completely explained, and as thus sometimes independant paranormal cases can be mislabeled or misunderstood; what is an obvious case of PK to one parapsychologist is a dangerous Poltergeist haunting to another.


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Posted 30 May 2005 - 09:24 AM

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Posted 07 June 2005 - 02:26 PM

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Two things you're missing here:
1. Ghosts are notorious for having their mortal deaths linked to such trauma, stress, and agression.


Not necessarily, no.  There maybe a likelihood that a violent trauma could be a key factor in ‘ghosts/apparitions’ etc, but there are probably just as many, if not more cases recorded throughout history of spirits of people who loved someone/somewhere so much that they did’nt want to leave.  Have we not heard of stories where a resident ghost did things such as tidying up, or maybe comforted a child (like a grandparent)?  I think to classify any kind of ghost as the result of trauma alone is quite an assumption.

It is only logical for such spirits to be attracted to the phycic energy of living people under the same types of tramatic conditions as they felt in life, or perhaps right before their deaths.

But don’t we all go through traumatic stress at some point in our lives? Puberty? Surgery? Divorce? Loss of a loved one? Terminal illness? Does this mean that we are all open to the supernatural? Time to start worrying I guess…


2. People don't nessecarilly "dismiss" the idea of the human agent, they just cannot believe someone they've known and loved as part of the family could be partly to blame for the disturbing events.

Ignorance is no excuse.  Tell me then, why in most alleged ‘poltergeist’ cases, (with the exception of a couple of well known ones such as the Bell Witch), that the phenomena generally dissipates after 6 months?

However, such an explanation can be ruled out here because the majority of poltergeist incidents continue to happen after the "Agent" has either moved out of the home, or left for a long enough period of time, and the house continues to undergo the same poltergeist disturbances.

I have to disagree.  There are more than a few records of the phenomena following the subject around, to the point where nobody would help them because of the problems that were being caused.  Even if it did occur while the ‘agent’ was not there, whos to say that it is not just residual ‘energy’ left from the person.  We know that energy cannot be destroyed, it transforms into other things, like a battery for example.  Like I stated before, this maybe just something perfectly normal that has’nt been studied to the full potential, yet.

*Here I think the idea of the human agent is overemphasized actually, because there are plenty of cases when poltergeist activity targets multiple members of the home directly, and others where it doesn't seem that anyone is being directly targeted.

What does that prove? If the human agent was a pubescent teenager, the angst could be targeted to numerous people.  If it was stress that had built up before being ‘discharged’ at one person, or ‘target’ (like the case I offered about the girl who was sexually assaulted), then is it so hard to understand why in other cases it is only one person?


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Posted 14 June 2005 - 05:20 PM

Dang Poltergeist got inta da chickencoop again! Body Post 3

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But don’t we all go through traumatic stress at some point in our lives? Puberty? Surgery? Divorce? Loss of a loved one? Terminal illness? Does this mean that we are all open to the supernatural? Time to start worrying I guess…

This argument doesn't support either of us very well. Shouldn't everyone be creating poltergeist phenomenon subcounsciously with PK then?  rolleyes.gif  The fact that everyone experiences stressful points in their life should indicate that poltergeist phenomenon are site specific and linked to spiritual residue rather then subconscious PK. wink2.gif  Otherwise poltergeists would be popping up everywhere all the time nonstop!
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Not necessarily, no. There maybe a likelihood that a violent trauma could be a key factor in ‘ghosts/apparitions’ etc, but there are probably just as many, if not more cases recorded throughout history of spirits of people who loved someone/somewhere so much that they did’nt want to leave. Have we not heard of stories where a resident ghost did things such as tidying up, or maybe comforted a child (like a grandparent)? I think to classify any kind of ghost as the result of trauma alone is quite an assumption.

Yeah thats true,... but poltergeist cases are usually specified by their violent nature towards people. To see a kindly ghost isn't a poltergeist case, that's seeing a ghost. Having loud noises combined with ectoplasm, combined with things being thrown around the house and people being beaten by invisible hands usually means its a poltergeist.
  Poltergeist cases typically are bad. They either start fires, cause nuisiances, and physically attack people. They don't want to tuck you in at night. crying.gif
  
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Ignorance is no excuse.

First off, that's not an excuse, its the truth. I asked my dad today what a poltergeist is, he thought it was a type of wild bird. laugh.gif  I would say the majority of the public doesn't know the specifics of poltergeist phenomenon, including the idea of a human agent.
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Tell me then, why in most alleged ‘poltergeist’ cases, (with the exception of a couple of well known ones such as the Bell Witch), that the phenomena generally dissipates after 6 months?

I'm sorry, I don't know what you're implying by this. Please explain. dontgetit.gif
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I have to disagree. There are more than a few records of the phenomena following the subject around, to the point where nobody would help them because of the problems that were being caused. Even if it did occur while the ‘agent’ was not there, whos to say that it is not just residual ‘energy’ left from the person. We know that energy cannot be destroyed, it transforms into other things, like a battery for example. Like I stated before, this maybe just something perfectly normal that has’nt been studied to the full potential, yet.

By claiming disturbances that occur after the human agent has left are caused by "residual energy" would classify that place as more of a Residual Haunting them anything. Residual hauntings aren't nessecarily linked to spirits, but more to events... typically stressful/traumatic. Residual Hauntings are ultimately harmless to people (unlike the bulk of poltergeist cases) and usually less extreme.
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What does that prove? If the human agent was a pubescent teenager, the angst could be targeted to numerous people. If it was stress that had built up before being ‘discharged’ at one person, or ‘target’ (like the case I offered about the girl who was sexually assaulted), then is it so hard to understand why in other cases it is only one person?

You're belief is that poltergiest phenomenon isn't connected to ghosts at all, that instead a human agent, under stress or trauma, subconsciously formulates and directs psychic energy at people within the household.
  We don't know enough about poltergeists to prove this theory, because people who are targeted have been different and so far random in all the cases; sometimes the abuser/enemy of the human agent, sometimes their loving family, and sometimes people they don't even know such as psychic investigators that enter the home. We can suggest patterns, but ultimately we don't know. hmm.gif
  I am suggesting that Poltergeist phenomenon typically stays at home. yes.gif  I would imagine that strong spirits have the ability to latch onto a certain human agents, such as seen in the famous Entity Case, but typically moving away cuts off the disturbances.  
  



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Posted 24 June 2005 - 02:27 PM

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This argument doesn't support either of us very well. Shouldn't everyone be creating poltergeist phenomenon subcounsciously with PK then?  The fact that everyone experiences stressful points in their life should indicate that poltergeist phenomenon are site specific and linked to spiritual residue rather then subconscious PK.  Otherwise poltergeists would be popping up everywhere all the time nonstop!

Site specific?  No, not really if you think about it.  It would depend on how the trauma mentioned affected the ‘victim’.  Otherwise places like schools, hospitals etc would be rife with supernatural activity.  It may be a specific level of activity that could trigger off the outburst of ‘kinetic energy’, which would suggest why were not up to the eyeballs in poltergeist phenomena.

Yeah thats true,... but poltergeist cases are usually specified by their violent nature towards people. To see a kindly ghost isn't a poltergeist case, that's seeing a ghost. Having loud noises combined with ectoplasm, combined with things being thrown around the house and people being beaten by invisible hands usually means its a poltergeist.
Poltergeist cases typically are bad. They either start fires, cause nuisiances, and physically attack people. They don't want to tuck you in at night.
  

There are’nt actually that many recorded cases of poltergeists that really do any harm.  They are more just annoying, moving objects, opening and closing doors etc etc.  There are, as I believe we already mentioned earlier, even less recorded cases of fatality resulting from a ‘poltergeist’, (the ones that do have fatalities are always the same stories regurgitated over and over).  If these forces are supposedly from ‘beyond’ why do they not maim or kill more often? They have no law to answer to?  What is to gain from just annoying someone? Which suggests to me again that it is a human element who is resentful in some way and ‘letting rip’ so to speak.

First off, that's not an excuse, its the truth. I asked my dad today what a poltergeist is, he thought it was a type of wild bird.  I would say the majority of the public doesn't know the specifics of poltergeist phenomenon, including the idea of a human agent.

I think you maybe giving too little credit to joe public.  Especially with the amount of TV coverage and press coverage the paranormal can get, I think you would be surprised.  Ask anyone what a ghost is, I am sure they will be able to tell you in some reasonable degree, so they will probably already heard of poltergeists, whether through reading, the media, or Steven Spielberg LoL!

BTW, if you ever get that wild bird, hook me up, I would like my own Poltergeist!

Tell me then, why in most alleged ‘poltergeist’ cases, (with the exception of a couple of well known ones such as the Bell Witch), that the phenomena generally dissipates after 6 months?

I'm sorry, I don't know what you're implying by this. Please explain.  

While I was doing my research, nearly every case I read about mentioned that the total duration of the ‘outbreak’ lasted for about 6 months, in fact I have quite a few books who make that very statement based on investigation and reports from the ‘victims’  do ghosts get bored, or do the real people?

By claiming disturbances that occur after the human agent has left are caused by "residual energy" would classify that place as more of a Residual Haunting them anything. Residual hauntings aren't nessecarily linked to spirits, but more to events... typically stressful/traumatic. Residual Hauntings are ultimately harmless to people (unlike the bulk of poltergeist cases) and usually less extreme.

So you are agreeing then that poltergeists may not be spirits, but residual hauntings that are’nt necessarily linked to spirits? Again you suggest that poltergeists may be harmful to people.  There is just not enough evidence to prove that they are nothing more than annoying…

What does that prove? If the human agent was a pubescent teenager, the angst could be targeted to numerous people. If it was stress that had built up before being ‘discharged’ at one person, or ‘target’ (like the case I offered about the girl who was sexually assaulted), then is it so hard to understand why in other cases it is only one person?

You're belief is that poltergiest phenomenon isn't connected to ghosts at all, that instead a human agent, under stress or trauma, subconsciously formulates and directs psychic energy at people within the household.
We don't know enough about poltergeists to prove this theory, because people who are targeted have been different and so far random in all the cases; sometimes the abuser/enemy of the human agent, sometimes their loving family, and sometimes people they don't even know such as psychic investigators that enter the home. We can suggest patterns, but ultimately we don't know.  
I am suggesting that Poltergeist phenomenon typically stays at home.  I would imagine that strong spirits have the ability to latch onto a certain human agents, such as seen in the famous Entity Case, but typically moving away cuts off the disturbances.


Again not necessarily true, I have also read about phenomena that has followed a particular ‘focus’ wherever they went, in fact the made for TV movie ‘The Haunting’ which was allegedly based on a real case also detailed phenomena that was not only directed at random people, but even followed them when they would go out on family outings.  

And likewise we just don’t have enough evidence that proves that poltergeists are the discarnate and disgruntled spirits of people who want to annoy the living.  Is certain spirits are that strong, why are’nt we hearing more about it?  Why would a spirit that is strong enough want to make some doors and windows rattle? Why not do something truly spectacular?

Or is it because the person who is fabricating the story does’nt want to get found out????


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