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Blair secures historic third term


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#31    Ohelemapit

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Posted 08 May 2005 - 02:47 PM


Oh another get out... they can invest 60 Mill but then don't monitor the spending.. Blair has just won teh election and now his own people want him to stand down.

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Posted 08 May 2005 - 05:11 PM

QUOTE(Lottie @ May 8 2005, 02:14 PM)
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Labour - Grossly negligent, have run healthcare and education into the ground.


Labour- Who have put something like 60 billion pounds into the NHS service.

Remember that it isn't the actual goverment who runs and organises the NHS but the management groups within the NHS. If there has been a problem with the NHS these are the people to blame. It doesn't help when all this money is pushed into the NHS and the big wig consultants etc decide to have a massive payrise out of it. Again this is to do with management sytsems and not the 'Labour' Party.

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Realy Lottie so why is it that blair has come to power he has employed 110.000pen pushers in the NHS and all of them will be on 30 grand to 125 grand a year,you add that up over the last 8 years and tell me the figure you come up with,what are these peoples jobs.........meeting targets


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Posted 08 May 2005 - 06:03 PM

QUOTE(XSAS @ May 8 2005, 03:47 PM)
Oh another get out... they can invest 60 Mill but then don't monitor the spending.. Blair has just won teh election and now his own people want him to stand down.

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If you had read my post correctly I said something like 60 Billion. I make it clearer for you...its not Labour who run the NHS but the agencies within the NHS, its down to these agencies how they use the money.

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Posted 08 May 2005 - 08:00 PM

QUOTE(Lottie @ May 8 2005, 06:03 PM)
QUOTE(XSAS @ May 8 2005, 03:47 PM)
Oh another get out... they can invest 60 Mill but then don't monitor the spending.. Blair has just won teh election and now his own people want him to stand down.

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If you had read my post correctly I said something like 60 Billion. I make it clearer for you...its not Labour who run the NHS but the agencies within the NHS, its down to these agencies how they use the money.

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so Gordon Brown has nothing to do with how mutch the NHS gets from the treasury


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Posted 09 May 2005 - 07:25 AM

QUOTE(Lottie @ May 8 2005, 07:03 PM)
QUOTE(XSAS @ May 8 2005, 03:47 PM)
Oh another get out... they can invest 60 Mill but then don't monitor the spending.. Blair has just won teh election and now his own people want him to stand down.

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XSAS

If you had read my post correctly I said something like 60 Billion. I make it clearer for you...its not Labour who run the NHS but the agencies within the NHS, its down to these agencies how they use the money.

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So what you are telling me is, Labour have given over 60 Billlion investments into the NHS and once they have comitted the money they have no control on how it is spane by the agencies within the NHS, sounds like gross negligence of taxpayers money and how can they promise NHS improvements when they have no control on spending??

So not only now do we blame the Toriees for the mewss they lkeft behind we now blame agencies within the NHS but not Labour.

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Posted 09 May 2005 - 10:47 AM

are you two seriously trying to tell me that the NHS was in better shape under the tories.

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Posted 09 May 2005 - 11:36 AM

QUOTE(wunarmdscissor @ May 9 2005, 10:47 AM)
are you two seriously trying to tell me that the NHS was in better shape under the tories.

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Wun we are talking about know not years ago....its like me saying dont you think the NHS is in better shape compared to when we discovered the wheel wacko.gif

The point we are disgussing is lottie`s point about the labour party and blair having nothing to do with our money once they have given it to agencys that run the NHS......what a load of sh-t angry.gif

What agencys?      and if thats the caes why did blair hire 110.000 pen pushers in the NHS ? to do what ? to report back to him saying sorry boss we cant tell you a jot as we and you have nothing to do with the NHS w00t.gif if that was the case that would mean the 110.000 jobs he created could only mean he is guarenteed another 110.000 votes last week tongue.gif


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Posted 09 May 2005 - 11:55 AM

well im saying that standards in the NHS are considerably better than they were under the tories.

Im saying that interest rates are condsiderably better thatn they were under the tories.

IM saying unemployment is considerably lower than they were under the tories.

Im saying education is considerably better than it was under the toris.

Im saying that the public services and welfare state is considerably better than under the tories.

IM saying my personal life is better than it was under the tories.

What more do u want ?

Britain is a stronger and more prosperous country than it was under the tories, just not for the mob who used to consistently get richer whilst the poor got poorer under the tories.

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Posted 09 May 2005 - 12:31 PM

I dont want to burst your bubble but what the heck,

The last study that was done by an indipendant organiseation to see how the ritch and poor divide has closed since labour has come to power found that the poor have become poorer and the ritch has stayed about the same,the only people that has become better of is the middle earners 27% of the populus,you may your self have become better of Wun but a lot of very poor people have not and it is only when we get an indipendant study we find this out,not one that has been set up by the government

The NHS i hope has become better after all if it hasnt my money like the rest of us has been wasted ,MRSA is still a big problem ,but that can be sorted,pity our trained doctors and nurses are leaving this country quicker than we have trained ones comming in

I know that inflation is nice and low,how low would it be if Blair let Europe dictate it for us? wacko.gif

What happend to smaller class sizes?


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Posted 09 May 2005 - 12:53 PM

MRSA would probably have happened during any administration, there are many mistakes that the tories made in the past  that no doubt labour wouldve made also.

Well all the studies i have read state that although the poverty gap isnt decreasing it is staying constant , which under tories was drastically widening.

You have to level these things out before you can sort them and it takes years.

Labour have had 8 years to repair the damage of 18 years of tory rule.

It takes more time to repair something than to destroy it.

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Posted 09 May 2005 - 12:57 PM

and By tghe way warden , im working class my family are working class, we live in area that approaches middle class, however i live a stones throw away from one of the poorest areas in glasgow. which by default make sthat one of the poorest in the UK.

The everyday lives of people in that are are dramatically better of, the public services and buildings are drastically imporved, the employement levels are drastically improved.

That is endemic of most Urban areas in glasgow.

Whilst im not as naive to declare there is no absolute pverty , like i said it takes a long time to repair 18 years of disaster.

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Posted 09 May 2005 - 12:58 PM

QUOTE(wunarmdscissor @ May 9 2005, 12:53 PM)
MRSA would probably have happened during any administration, there are many mistakes that the tories made in the past  that no doubt labour wouldve made also.

Well all the studies i have read state that although the poverty gap isnt decreasing it is staying constant , which under tories was drastically widening.

You have to level these things out before you can sort them and it takes years.

Labour have had 8 years to repair the damage of 18 years of tory rule.

It takes more time to repair something than to destroy it.

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So are you willing to give labour 18 yrs to undo the tories 18 yrs they were in power,

Blair said after getting elected that he would have the country on track

Blair then said after getting elected a second time he would have the country on track

Know he has been elected for a third term are you willing to listen to his sh-t and wait for a fourth term to hear the same crap....do me a bloody fav  no.gif


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Posted 09 May 2005 - 01:01 PM

He is getting the country on -track.

we have the fourth strongest economy on earth. everything follows on from an strong economy.

Remember black wednesday?????? , would this have had anything to do with labour's leadership of the country?

god no , heaven frobid you to credit labour with any good.

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Posted 09 May 2005 - 01:33 PM

Out of curiosity XSAS and Warden,

Who would you want in power instead of Labour and why ?

It seems you are quite probably not unlike the infamous Torie Boy from the rather funny Harry Enfield and Chums series.

F.Y.I, I voted SNP as I am Sick and tired of Westminster telling my country what todo with Our money. There's only 5million of us we'd be quite happy on or own.

I agree labour have made some promises they haven't kept, but its still better than the Conservatives gaining power again. IMO its the lesser of two evils.

Try not to come across Pro tory, unless thats what you are  unsure.gif



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Posted 09 May 2005 - 01:39 PM


Our school would close down if we did not have anactive charity raising program and we have classes in excess of 30 Children, we have teaching asistants being pushed onto courses to teach children rather than invest into real teachers...



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