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[Rosewin]

I feel as it might be a fake as well as most of these things are but I would rather have an open mind and at least hear her views before claiming she is attempting to pass off a hoax knowingly or is a latter generation dupe. The problem with skeptics is that they are as fanatical in not believing anything and trying to explain things away prematurely as some believers are as fanatical in believing and accepting prematurely. She has yet to post again regarding my questions so until then I would rather wait before concluding anything but even then a conversation with her sounds more interesting than either supporting or condemning someone before they even have a chance to speak fully and even after that is done the conversation might suffice without still dismissing or accepting anything. Be well jayle.

The writer of the article might also have made many mistakes in gathering their information and perhaps she, being closer to the object, has better information regarding the script, the discovery, its condition, etc...

Edited by Clovis, 22 July 2008 - 07:52 PM.

[jaylemurph]

Clovis on Jul 22 2008, 03:50 PM, said:

I feel as it might be a fake as well as most of these things are but I would rather have an open mind and at least hear her views before claiming she is attempting to pass off a hoax knowingly or is a latter generation dupe. The problem with skeptics is that they are as fanatical in not believing anything and trying to explain things away prematurely as some believers are as fanatical in believing and accepting prematurely. She has yet to post again regarding my questions so until then I would rather wait before concluding anything but even then a conversation with her sounds more interesting than either supporting or condemning someone before they even have a chance to speak fully and even after that is done the conversation might suffice without still dismissing or accepting anything. Be well jayle.

The writer of the article might also have made many mistakes in gathering their information and perhaps she, being closer to the object, has better information regarding the script, the discovery, its condition, etc...

True, but what I don't do is subject people to tediously-understated moral superiority. I think most people can appreciate a plainly-stated view more than this sort of  passive-aggressive superciliousness.

--Jaylemurph

[Rosewin]

Well as long as Judi knows she is welcome to return and there are those willing to engage in an open conversation with her without casting any judgment one way or another and that she is in good company that is all that really matters. I will take this attitude with most, regardless of what they have to share, that they are welcome to speak, and have nothing to fear from those who just want to dismiss them and claim everything they are saying is either fabrication or imagination. They are much more interesting regardless if I agree or not than those who simply want to prove others wrong time and time again. People who are like that are just in the way of open conversation and exchange of ideas IMHO

[Aztec Warrior]

As I read further into this "story" I laced my boots up to the furthest point, as it was getting extremely thick in here.

[Mabon]

I would also like some links please. I just looked and can not find anything about the stone/tablet on the web that isn't:
1. UM
2. Written in Swedish, or another foreign language I don't have proficiency (clue) in.
3. Isn't a religious based site.


Regards,
Mabon.

[questionmark]

Aztec Warrior on Jul 22 2008, 11:21 PM, said:

As I read further into this "story" I laced my boots up to the furthest point, as it was getting extremely thick in here.

I would wear fishing pants....

Sorry, been trying on the net to find this quote but it seems not to be there, but here is a source of what other scientist thought of Barry Fell's "interpretations" :

Kenneth L. Feder (1996) "Frauds, Myths, and Mysteries: Science and Pseudoscience in Archaeology", Mountain View: Mayfield Publishing Co., ISBN 1-55934-523-3, pp. 101-107.

Which seems to be: not much.

[PersonFromPorlock]

For everybody's information, Judi A. Engle (presumably Judi E.) is president of the Michilimackinac Historical Society and manager of the Fort de Buade Museum. This is from The St. Ignace News, May 3rd,2007.

For confirmation, see: http://www.stignacenews.com/news/2007/0503...torial/007.html

[DieChecker]

Maybe a rubbing of the stone or part of it could be made. It should scan well and provide the clues to what is on it very well.

[questionmark]

DieChecker on Jul 23 2008, 02:31 AM, said:

Maybe a rubbing of the stone or part of it could be made. It should scan well and provide the clues to what is on it very well.

Well, looks like the stone is gone AND the pictures are gone... go figure.

[jaylemurph]

questionmark on Jul 22 2008, 07:33 PM, said:

Well, looks like the stone is gone AND the pictures are gone... go figure.

I wonder how you spell sucker in Hittite-Minoan?

Or is that too cruel?

--Jaylemurph

[kmt_sesh]

jaylemurph on Jul 22 2008, 07:25 PM, said:

I wonder how you spell sucker in Hittite-Minoan?

Or is that too cruel?

--Jaylemurph

There is no such word in Hittite-Minoan. Rather, it was performed with a certain hand gesture that is still common to us today.

Oh, man, this one is rich! Does the Kensington Runestone from Minnesota come to mind? The only difference here is that the Runestone was somewhat convincing.

What will people dream up next?

And, please, Hittite-Minoan? What in the hell is that supposed to be, anyway?

[Harks]

This is the only photo I found, not very good, but it said it has Ogam (or Ogham) writing.


ogham, ogam
1. an alphabetical script originally used for inscriptions in the Irish language from the 5th to the 10th centuries.
2. any of the 20 characters of this script.
3. an inscription in this script. — oghamist, ogamist, n.


http://www.aaapf.org/photo_gallery.asp?ItemID=54
Name: Newberry stone

Date: 11/2/2006
Description: Catalog# 2006.11.02.EP.54

"Newberry stone" contains Ogam writing and was found 200 miles west of Michigan "copper country"

Edited by Harks, 23 July 2008 - 03:42 AM.

[Judi E.]

Clovis on Jul 22 2008, 07:05 PM, said:

Well it is a good thing the stone is still safe. Will you grace us with pictures of it and perhaps and sketch of how it would look intact with its symbols? What are your thoughts of the stone? Real? Of recent manufacture? From what culture?

This is the stone.
If i get time this week, i will get the pics and post the article with the original pics of the stone while it was in tact.

[Rosewin]

Well hopefully you get some time. This artifact seems so little payed attention to there is many variants of the history of it from various sources. It is not often that we have such so it makes it seem very new and exciting. Are the any other artifacts within the collection you oversee that might be of interests to the general audience here? It seems such a boon that a private collection is now available for the public. I am sure there are many interesting pieces either way of great historical value already have seen a few online.

[Judi E.]

Clovis on Jul 22 2008, 08:21 PM, said:

Well as long as Judi knows she is welcome to return and there are those willing to engage in an open conversation with her without casting any judgment one way or another and that she is in good company that is all that really matters. I will take this attitude with most, regardless of what they have to share, that they are welcome to speak, and have nothing to fear from those who just want to dismiss them and claim everything they are saying is either fabrication or imagination. They are much more interesting regardless if I agree or not than those who simply want to prove others wrong time and time again. People who are like that are just in the way of open conversation and exchange of ideas IMHO

Thank-you much, Clovis.
Well said.
I was just going to leave this place, and not answer anyone at all.
As i didnt realize when i posted here, just what kind of a site this was.

What a place to come to eh?
Geeze, where i am I? LOL.

Thats okay i guess, but i really dont  feel the necessity to prove myself in this little group
This is obviously not the place for grace.
And you know, you know the old saying, "don't throw pearls among swine"

I wasn't going to grace them with a thing after that.
i was just going to sit here and snicker to myself while i sat on this sack of seeds.
I thought it would be better if they found out about it later and then realized their mistake.
However, because you are a decent person.[CLOVIS]
I will share that with you.
Maybe Clovis, i should just email the pics to you alone eh? We would then spare these poor folks any further misery.
BTW, the pic posted is a good pic, i have that stone in a case at this museum.
Want to see it Clovis???? tee-hee