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Posted 17 May 2005 - 08:01 AM

From http://www.diagnosis.../new5.htm#mason

Put aside your conspiracy theories for a few minutes;

I have just finished reading The Book of Hiram, by Christopher Knight and Robert Lomas, which is the fourth book in their series, attempting to trace the roots of the Masonic tradition. In their 1999 book, Uriel's Machine, they looked at the Book of Enoch (several Masonic degrees feature Enoch), and concluded that Enoch was taken by the angel Uriel to Stonehenge in England and the Newgrange "passage grave", in Ireland (Robin Heath published the Stonehenge -Uriel connection just the previous year - 1998 in his excellent book, Sun, Moon, Stonehenge). Knight & Lomas pointed out that if the shadow from a post or gnomon is marked at midday every day between solstices, and the dots are joined, the resulting figure is two spirals. Thus, a spiral represents a quarter of the year. There are many spirals at Newgrange, which is aligned so that the Winter Solstice sunrise illuminates the chamber each year. There is a conspicuous triple spiral in the inner chamber at Newgrange, and a triple spiral would represent three seasons; nine months, or the gestation period of humans. This is the period around which the Mayan Tzolkin of 260 days is based, and, as we know, the 13-baktun cycle that ends in 2012 is structured like a giant Tzolkin of 260 katuns, possibly representing a planetary gestation that precedes the birth of the next Sun (rebirth of One Hunahpu) on the Winter Solstice of 2012.

Enoch lived "365 years" (Gen 5 v.23) and that must be a calendrical clue! He was warned about the forthcoming global flood, and passed the information down to his great grandson, Noah. Knight and Lomas found evidence that the "Grooved Ware" Neolithic people of Britain, who built the megalithic sites, survived a comet impact of 7640 BC and foresaw the next one of 3150 BC (Robin Heath says "sometime around 3300 BC"). They have traced back Masonic ceremonies to the Knights Templar (so convincingly that many previously incredulous Masons now concur), the original nine knights were direct descendants of Jewish Temple priests. The Templars excavated under the Temple of Jerusalem, and found the huge stash of treasure described in the Copper Scroll from Qumran, plus accompanying secret texts - contemporary writings to the Dead Sea Scrolls. These were then buried under Rosslyn Chapel in Scotland, which is a copy of Solomon's Temple, complete with nine vaults. The information in the scrolls was encoded into Cathedrals sponsored by the Templars - this is when the Masonic guilds started, who performed the stonework.

The Grooved Ware people were trading in the Mediterranean area (e.g. tin for bronze production) and their beliefs were passed onto the Caananites and Phoenicians, who bequeathed them to the Israelites, when they arrived from Egypt.

Like the Maya, the Grooved Ware people were obsessed with tracking Venus. In fact, the triple spiral at Newgrange is not fully illuminated at Winter Solstice, say Knight and Lomas, but every 8 years, Venus comes up just before the Sun, and directly illuminates it (Venus features in many Masonic degrees). Biblical and other connections show that the King rites were carried out in chambers aligned to the Shekinah or Venus light every 40 years (e.g. Saul, David & Solomon all reigned for 40 years), when the King can re-birth into a new body.

They have found that certain Venus numbers are encoded into the Bible (see The Orion Prophecy review for an explanation of the movements of Venus) and these are a 40-year period, 480 years and 1440 years. Venus "loops" every 584 days, and completes a pentagram of 5 loops every 8 years, but this is 2.4 degrees away from its previous position. After 40 years, or 5 pentagrams, the loop is 12 degrees away from its starting position. After 480 years or 60 pentagrams, it is 144 degrees away from its starting position. After 1440 years, it has moved 432 degrees which is 360 + 72 degrees. Have you noticed the precessional numbers here? 12; 72; 144; 432 & 18 x 1440 =25,920. Exact alignment should come after 5 periods of 1440 years, or 7200 years.

Then I noticed that eight of these 1440-year periods is 11,520 years, which is the length of time between the catastrophes found by Slosman in the Egyptian Book of the Dead. In fact, in The Orion Prophecy review I said, regarding the period between the last catastrophe ("9792 BC") and the next one in 2012 ( a period of 11,803 years):

"We are not told how Slosman got the year 9792 BC, so cannot speculate further... except, maybe it should be 11,520 years, since that is the period between the catastrophe in 21, 312 BC and 9792 BC; and 11,520 = 7200 x 584, or 7200 Venus cycles."

According to Biblical chronology;

Solomon's Temple was begun 1440 years after the Flood;

Jesus was born 1,440 years after Moses led the Israelites through the Red Sea;

and Rosslyn was begun 1,440 years after Christ's birth.

Just after reading in the Book of Hiram how the Grooved Ware people had a calendar of 366 days, and the "Minoan Foot" is related to the Megalithic Yard, I took a look at a replica of the Phaistos Disc (from Minoan Crete) in my father's bookcase, while clearing it out. Then I looked for more on the Phaistos Disc and found a book called Atlantis Messages that connects the Aztec Sunstone, the Phaistos Disc, and an inlaid Mayan shield with the Dendera Zodiac, revealing information about the timing of the Great Flood! Further digging showed not only that the Minoans had a 366-day calendar, but that several people had shown the "undecipherable" Phaistos Disc to be a calendrical device, as described in Alan Butler's book, The Bronze Age Computer Disc. Then I found a German site that finds a 4,076 year cycle encoded in the Phaistos Disc, plus Venus cycles; English translation: The Multi-millennial Minoan Calendar.

Then I took a look an ancient map of Ireland and found there was a county whose border was on the Boyne Valley called...Uriel...! See ancient map page on Mythical Ireland site.


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Posted 17 May 2005 - 08:03 AM

I was at Newgrange for the winter solctice this year. I recomend "Uriel's Machine" for anyone intersted in the megolithic sites of the British Isles.
Go n-éirí an bóthar leat
Go raibh an ghaoth go brách ag do chúl
Go lonraí an ghrian go te ar d’aghaidh
Go dtite an bháisteach go mín ar do pháirceanna
Agus go mbuailimid le chéile arís,
Go gcoinní Dia i mbos A láimhe thú.

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Posted 17 May 2005 - 04:34 PM

DJ, watch out, because you are buying into a body of works that uses conjecture and innuendo to build a case of "facts" that they base their books upon.

Just because an author says something does not make it true. When Knight and Lomas say that "many previously incredulous Masons now concur," this is their opinion, and much of what they have written is based upon the thinnest threads of myth.

If you want to have fun, open the Bible to any particular page and select a number outside of chapter and verse numbers (numbers of kids, sheafs of wheat, ages) and you can build a case that THAT number is there for a reason - that is MUST be a calendrical clue!

This work would be more closely debunked, but the researchers are still laughing to hard to try.
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Posted 18 May 2005 - 05:48 AM

QUOTE(Malruhn @ May 17 2005, 04:34 PM)
DJ, watch out, because you are buying into a body of works that uses conjecture and innuendo to build a case of "facts" that they base their books upon.

Just because an author says something does not make it true.  When Knight and Lomas say that "many previously incredulous Masons now concur," this is their opinion, and much of what they have written is based upon the thinnest threads of myth.

If you want to have fun, open the Bible to any particular page and select a number outside of chapter and verse numbers (numbers of kids, sheafs of wheat, ages) and you can build a case that THAT number is there for a reason - that is MUST be a calendrical clue!

This work would be more closely debunked, but the researchers are still laughing to hard to try.
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I agree with what your saying Malruhn, it is possible to make a numerolicical/ astrological hypothesis fit almost any theory if you try hard enough, I.E. some of the pytramid theories.
I do, however, find Newgrange fascinating.
Built before the pyramids, it is a mysterious place and well worth studying.
I don't buy all of ethe theories presented in "Uriel's Machine", but I do beleive that megolithic man built Newgrange as an astronomical observatory.
Go n-éirí an bóthar leat
Go raibh an ghaoth go brách ag do chúl
Go lonraí an ghrian go te ar d’aghaidh
Go dtite an bháisteach go mín ar do pháirceanna
Agus go mbuailimid le chéile arís,
Go gcoinní Dia i mbos A láimhe thú.

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